they don't want to freeze this winter. there's no real enthusiasm for provoking a crisis with moscow over what happens in eastern ukraine and they have lived with ukraine for a long time, and they understand what's real and what isn't. they know that ukraine is not a homogenous nation-state. about a third of the population is effectively russian those of the people that live in eastern ukraine. that's the population that putin is interested in and if he does move, and he think he will move, that's the occupation he's going to go and occupy, the upper river. the germans know that. they don't fear a feeder offensive on the soviet skill because they can't do it. >> laura: now, michael mcauliffe is kind of a war hawk. he has spoken out about the problem with our not showing strength to putin after that face-off. i want to play with he said. >> yes.