talking about t-cell immunity. >> that struck me reading a lot of these the most part in the early days of the epidemic that he was quite a sensible person. he understood the necessity of not panicking the publishing. something happened in late february where he just flipped on a dime. it was not the science changing. something else happened where he just change. the immunity thing is quite important, laura. a lot of states are adopting these, you have to have a vaccine to access normal life. summit recovering from covid, they have long-lasting immunity. why should they be discriminated against? >> laura: i can't think of a better way to spend friday night that with you guys. thanks so much. coming up, is there a mystery buried in the ground? raymond arroyo is up next. i am robert strickler. i've been involved in communications in the media