we suggest you should not associate with them. instead of trying to shoehorn an investigation that might have, they hope, t maybe would develop information about the president. you should only be seeking -- to protect the campaign, the campaign leaders, the president. >> laura: yeah, well, they didn't do that. simply -- >> barr mentioned that. barr hasas made that point. i think it is a very valid point. >> laura: simply put to you, jeff, what should it durham do now? we know a lot of these facts,d for whatever reason, horowitz didn't want to come to those conclusions are didn't feel it was hisom place, perhaps. given what we know now, what dos you hope that durham actually concludes? >> i know john durham. i respect him highly. i asked him to do an important matter for me, shortly after i became attorney general. he has the power that mueller