this is what is happening. and the president's right, and thus we address the violence, w are the whole border get back to crisis numbers because mexico will be declared not -- >> laura: not a safe country a passage. so now it's considered a safe country of passage, which a lot of people think is debatable, but part of its are not as bad as sonora. and that will offend the progress that has been made. that's l an excellent point, that's why we like excellent panels like both of you. andrea mitchell was on msnbc tonight, today, talking about how thels president is going to use this tragedy. watch. >> the president may well be planning to use this as he campaigns forni the border wall, which is going to be the signature issue in play, as we approach a debate over a government shutdown. >> laura: overrn the year, she's done some amazing reporting, and i like her personally, but this -- i mean, this has nothing to do with the border wall,