happens in these hearings is that the folks will go in, sometimes in violation of the order of the state department for the executive branch, saying no. they do it anyway. a lot of what they say or in large part is pretty favorable to trump. they will be one thing, but that is the obnoxious nature of a secret proceeding. >> that is exactly right. you get to cherry pick what you want. that's a huge problem. >> laura: they say were complaining about process because you don't have the facts on your side. >> the reality is when you close the doors you are saying, we don't trust anybody but us to get to the truth. they are actually -- the word came out they're not going to let these guys -- members of the committee get access. that is how objectionable this is. that is how close this is going to be. >> laura: what?