black ones in south carolina who to this point are embracing the candidates who promise to upend society in the name of racial equity." joinging me author of the forthcoming book, "how trump is making black america great again." leo terrel. great to see you. i haven't seen you in a while. thank you for gracing us with your presence. what do you make of this? white guilt. shelby steele for many years has written about the phenomenon of white guilt to explain affirmative action. >> it's really ripping us apart. here's the problem. america has come together with the civil rights act, a fair's housing act, trillions of dollars in assistance to black whites, and browns. we even tried a field experiment with affirmative action. we've elected twice a black man to be president of united states.