about this president and using his private lawyer as a back channel, very sensitive area of the world. >> laura: hold on. rudy is under the spotlight. there is no doubt. he is on the griddle for a whole bunch of reasons. is it unwise for the president to have his personal attorney working with the state department on issues that -- i think are extremely legitimate, but is it better to go through government attorneys lawyers and normal government processes? not to ruffle feathers and normal lines of communication. >> we have seen what the deep state -- your previous section on this just talked about the deep state. by going to members of the state department the president runs the risk of seeing what has happened. personal phone calls between the leader of the free world and other countries. that's what we're talking about.