sure it's a very big challenge for his family but this is actually -- there are national indications when someone like that is engaged in political business. >> laura: he didn't come to the announcement of joe biden running for the presidency. he wasn't on stage for that. i mean, that's interesting. >> is also interesting that the media seem to think that they can do the same thing they did with the hillary clinton email scandal. just to assert there is no problem there and then -- >> laura: if your conspiracy, all of your wild conspiracy theories for even asking questions about this. >> right and then they think the voters won't have legitimate concerns about this. >> laura: it's the worst art of self production. there's 2020 trump g.o.p. primary opponent, kind of a ghost from the 1980s, he offered this legal solution to taking down the president. >> talk about pressuring a foreign country to interfere with and control u.s. election.