because they can do anything from just during a minor ransomware attack or a massive ransom attack to turning the power grid off. and that is a possibility as well. fred, how worried are you aboutf that kind of cyber attack on the u.s.? >> you know, i'm worried about but i also think the russians know that we're much better at cyber attacks and they are it if they do that , there will be a devastating counterattack by the united states. and i mean we will know where these attacks came from and concerning whether whether there's anco off ramp or not, i think there could be we have to talk and press putin toos the last possible moment. i mean, until he invades, there's a chance we can somehow talk him out of it. so cyber attacks are already beginning in ukraine this week. we've b been told that's going e be part of the softening to really disorient things toal confuse the society there, to begin taking things out and leave the people with fewer