still had not got a meeting at the white house, still needed aid from the united states. >> that's right, and david holmes testified very persuasively about the importance of the white house meeting and of the relationship to ukraine even after the speech 26 was lifted, including pointing to today when president trump and president zelensky mehta discussed the war in the east. >> the evidence knew that he had the power to enforce ukraine's hand and took advantage of that desperation and abuse his office using our taxpayer dollars to use what he wanted, right? >> it has to be cleared and clarified that the president, the evidence showed that the president directly said to ambassador sondland that there was a quid pro quo with the security systems. there has been some debate and some discussion about that, but that is one thing the evidence shows based on the morrison testimony, the taylor testimony