entertainment and that we made it kind of gratification culture without investing in actual education. we also reward test results rather than that kind of work ethic and investment that builds it along the way. this was totally predictable. just like homelessness and opioids and all the other stuff that we talked about because this has been a long time coming. the fact that we refuse to let parents proceed with choices or provide other options because we want a virtual signal is the problem. >> juan: greg, i think you are a great proponent of innovation. >> greg: that's true. >> juan: a woman who writes for "the new york post" said, if you just stuck with basics, like rote memorization like abcd and one, two, three, we know that works, she said. not sure it works for everybody but as a fan of innovation, what do you say about that? >> greg: i think it's overrated and i like ignorant people because i can rise above them faster if they don't know