because then it will expand and the suffering will be orders of magnitude higher. >> harris: what do we need to do next? generals and colonel daveis there are things that we can do even with those migs in poland. so what's next steps look like? >> you know, i mean we would like to say we can do this and this next step will stop putin. i'm just telling you, harris, the harsh reality is that probably only negotiations are going to stop him at this point. he has weathered the sanctions and committed to this. mariupol shows you it is utterly committed and won't stop until he gets the objectives. what we have to do is just again prevent it from going beyond the borders and understand other than escalating to larger war, there is probably nothing we can do to stop it. i know no one likes to hear it but it's the harsh reality. >> harris: worries about the