the best it could and gave up lives trying to get people out of there. the president, no, if he messes this up with russia, what is at stake? >> well, fundamental american interests are at stake whenever our adversaries around the world see something happening like what happened in afghanistan or what could happen with an invasion of ukraine and realize that they can push and threaten american interests and america will not stand up and defend our interests. so what happens in ukraine, for instance, has direct bearing in the western pacific where china might decide to go for the jug lar in taiwan or might continue to cheat on trade deals and take american jobs and shutter american fact reese. so much of america's interests and security and stability in the world depend on how our adversaries view the president of the united states.