communication with the president, we tried to get him to list all of the communications with the president. he gave us six. then when he was back -- we walked us each communication with the president. it was a christmas matter and when the president of finland was here. and congresswoman spear asked him the same question and he said he talked to the president like 20 times. the record is mixed. >> i think my time is up. thank you, both. yield back. >> mr. chairman, mr. chairman. i move to recess for 30 minutes pursuant to clause 1-a of 11. >> the gentleman moved to recess for how long? >> for 30 minutes, sir. >> 30 minutes.