>> mr. holmes, in your testimony, you said that sondland said he loves your ass and also said he will do anything you want. mr. holmes that information had nothing to do with the subject matter, the subject matter of any of these hearings. it was antidotal, it was extraneous. your statements your interest are protecting ukraine are very dubious when you embarrass president zelensky by making those statements. he didn't have to make. who cares that ambassador sondland said that? you know you didn't embarrass ambassador sondland. you embarrassed zelensky because you know he got asked that country in his own statement. and hearing that statement as true. >> the time of the gentleman is inspired. mr. carson you are recognized. >> does he get to answer. >> thank you both for your service. dr. hill, i would like to talk a little more in-depth about chief of staff mic mulvaney's role in the event under investigation. you testified, ma'am, that mr. mulvaney and ambassador sondland were both involved