they able to do that? >> i'm not sure. use his energy against him? >> dana: this is a lot of sport. >> that's why we love you. you make it fun. the thing is, the polls that we were talking about earlier, they all show that biden can handedly beat trump, but all warren and sanders. so the question becomes with the press covering trump so constantly, this is something we discussed on "the five" yesterday. is he just sucking up the air? if it becomes a, what are these democrats up to? tonight one of the break throughs we might have is a discussion of foreign affairs and national security, in a way that we haven't before. that leads to a discussion of president trump's conduct. >> dana: there's also a book, remember, corey lewandowski. >> permission to make a sports an nallsy? axelrod is saying donald trump is like dennis rodman.