isn't that was -- all of a sudden, it is all every everyone, and we have kids on their phones their phones present them with love but the lowest form, we need kids to love effort and more challenging things that will be more meaningful. i think as parents we have to understand how hard it is. you can't just say to your kids, get rid of your phone, you want to get them engaged. engaged their love, engage what they care about. engage your love for them. and that is always a much more effective strategy and lead to a better outcome for your kid and for their life. trey: you know matt, sometimes, sessioni