coercion to break people's will, to wear them down, to break their resolve. that's what he did in hong kong. and that is what he's done in, with our allies in the region. maria: real quick on putin and this upcoming meeting, any expectations here? joe biden and vladimir putin? >> i think it would be better suited if we didn't have this meeting so early with putin, because with we had so many issues on the table with putin's bullying, etc. i think later in the year or next year would have been far better, and certainly have one with president xi at some point. but nonetheless, it's going to take place -- maria: yep. >> i think people have low expect takes about the outcome -- expectations about the outcome. having a summit for the sake of having a summit more than anything else. but it is an opportunity to go face to face with putin and put our concerns on the table. listen, maria, the backdrop here for putin, he has enormous