a debate. we have to stabilize our hemisphere if we want this problem to stop at our border. violence, corruption, joblessness and hunger won't win you asylum at the border. that's why the congresswoman from here in my home city of new york is upset or disappointed in vice president harris. this is going to take some more thought. i hope we approach this like henry kissinger would approach tough national security issues. one as a national security issue. two be unemotional about it and three figure out how do we advance u.s. interest. i hope that's what she is thinking about. i have seen nothing to suggest she is not thinking about it that way. a few unforced errors. she should go ahead and. she responds to things by laughs a little bit. we shouldn't confuse the fact she can be tough. i hope the administration has given her a toolbox to be tough there with guatemala and mexico. >> bret: i'm pretty sure, harold, republicans henry kissinger wouldn't laugh and say i haven't been to europe. >> i concede that. >> bret: let me ask you about the president the guatemalan