they're dead. nobody knows who they are and how many there are. there doesn't seem to be a lot of urgency to try to find their bodies and give them a burial. >> shepard: not to cast aspersions, what is striking from hundreds of miles away, you don't see anyone out there trying to get anything done. have you been able to figure out if anyone is in charge or when -- >> no, no. i tell you, i saw good things. i saw people getting on boats, people trying to escape this. this is basically a hot tin pan of destruction and dead bodies. people are just trying to get out of here as fast as they can. we've seen helicopter pilots from the u.s. coast guard carrying people off that were either so weak or so traumatized they can't even walk.