lives, where he worked, here as wellon as the high school and the police station are all in like a three-mile radius. it is a close knit area, a close knit location when you talk about all of these scenes. and every single one is active. sean, as we give it back to you, it is eerie. we have been here all day. you hearhe stories about the cell phones ringing n side and no one to answer them. can you imagine the people on the other end making the calls? and if you look down the street, unfortunately from our vantage point you can't get there with our camera, but there were a number of hertzs were parked along the curb and to know they are getting the bodies is an eerie sight as they people are being taken out and loved ones officially notified. >> adam, i can see the press conference is about to start. one quick question here. i understand the police have pulled out and pretty much evacuated around the apartment. can you give us any update on that? >> yes. they first evacuated the complex. they expanded that further to make it a larger evacuation area to ensure that if anything went off people would be safe. >> adam housely on the scene in colorado. as you can see there is the police chief as we head back to colorado where they are beginning their press conference. en in. all listen >> i am daniel oates, the police chief here in aurora. it would be best to begin the press conference by introduce ing our governor to make some remarks. governor? >> so this has been a long day, and i appreciate how long a day it has been for all of you in the media. we are seeing this community rise up and do the things that great communities do. we are dealing with this. there are 70 casualties, not 71. there was a double reporting there. the stories are going to come out ofut this of how in a remarkably short time the police force in aurora responded to this situation. their efficiency in making an apprehension, the ability of our hospitals in remarkably short order to take care of all of these casualties in incredible system. i am not saying it was all perfect, but as this story is told, it will be remarkable. as of 3:30 we still had 30 patients in hospitals. 11 still in critical condition. this is an act that defies description. you can't connect emotions we commonly think of. it is filled with an anger that cants find focus. the chal -- that can't find focus. it is a challenge that we have to move past that. obviously there will be ay level of accountability that is individual and either we will or we will not know exactly the roots of that is. we know how deep it is, but where it came from. but we are clear that we are going to rise back and lift ourselves above this. i visited several of the families in the hospital, and we are w going to have obviously some some -- when you have that many people that are injured, you will have people with lifetime disabilities. we are already as a community beginning to come together giving first .org within three hours we had $125,000 in matching gifts. as they raise money, this is through one of the hospital networks, but all of the hospitals will participate in this toos make sure the victims of this senseless act of violence -- again, there just words. we want to do everything we can to make sure the victims are brought back in every way and supported in every way we can. we are mott going to let this community be defined by such a -- you know, if i had more sleep i might have a better vocabulary. i do think the first responders were unbelievable. to work together and coordinate. our support from the federal government has been incredible. h secretary gnaw poll tan know called me from homeland security and wanted to do everything she could. she was a little late because president obama called me before that. but he called mayor holden, and he called the police chief. the whole country recognizes is something that we don't accept, we can't explain at this't point, but we are not going to just let it happen to us. we are going to push back. mayor hogan is not here. his leadership has been remark along. in times like this you see what is the true quality of people, and how can they deal withw situations that -- there is no training. there is no way you can prepare for something like this. i think the way he has handled all of the integration of the different efforts between the federal and the state and the county and the local, it really is a remarkable skill. no one is pointing fingers. everybody is moving toti the next step. this has happened. do next?e in that sense, unbelievable. i don't think i have ever done this. you should all give chief oates and that. >> [applause] so i will now give it back to chief oates. >> thank you, governor. i want to point out that standing behind me are quite a few of our elected city officials and state representatives. our congressman is with us and joining us is special agent jimmy kohn and special agent with atf. our federal partners have been tremendous in supporting us. i want to start by saying how proud i am of the men and women of the police department and the fire department. the cheer of the fire department is -- the chief of the fire department is with us. we have to straighten out some numbers. there were a total of 70 injured in this event, and as of this time 12 dead. the number is 10 in the theater.ad the last of the bodies were removed from the theater a little after 5:00 this afternoon. i want to correct one thing. i said before ty he others were all hit by gunfire. i know a handful of the people who were brought to area hospitals were not hit by gunfire, but suffered other injuries as a result of the chaos and trauma in the theater. i can't tell you how many that is,s but a small number. nearly everyone was shot. a little information about our subject and the weapons he obtained. in the last 60-days he purchased four g guns at local metro gun shops and through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of 40 caliber ammunition for the two blocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun. also through the internet he purchased multiple magazines for the 223 caliber assault rifle including one, 100-round drum magazine that was recovered from the scene. i have been asked was the weapon automatic or semiautomatic? i can't answer that. even if it was semiautomatic i am told by experts that with that drum magazine he could have got n -- gotten off 50 to 60 rounds even if it was semiautomatic within s one minute. as far as we know it was a pretty rapid pace of fire in that theater. this evening at 4:00 members of the police department and the many supporting agencies that have provided victim service advocates to support us met with approximately 70 members of family and friends who have not had an accounting of their missing loved ones. we met with them for approximately 90 minutes. we discussed all of our efforts to identify the 10 bodies in the theater, and we did the best we could to deal with their grief and anguish. we are hopeful that sometime in the next hour we will get a confirmed list of their 10 deceased, and we will begin the agonizing process of meeting with those families and confirming what has happened to their loved ones. i can't emphasize enough the support of all of our and local law enforcement in handling that extraordinarily difficult task. and we are also o aided by our own police department psychologists. aurora public schoolsgi has made available two high schools for tomorrow beginning at 9:00 a.m. for professional grief resources and other including the resources of aurora mental health d the red cross. those two schools are open at 9:00 a.m. super inen it dent john bare -- superintendent john barry was there to meet and their response has been tremendous. in addition i will talk about the paris street location. we evacuated five apartment buildings including the apartment building of the subject. those evacuees have been staying at central high school between with the support s of uh aurora public schools. with regard to the paris location it is a vexing problem how to enter the apartment safely. i personally have never seen anything like what the pictures show us is in there. am a layman when it comes to bomb stuff. i see a lot of wires, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid. some things look like mortar rounds. we decided this evening to postpone action until tomorrow at some time. all of w our folks were pretty well taxed and we needed a break. with the help of the federal government we are bringing in resources to consult how to deal with that problem. we are hopeful we will address and resolve that problem tomorrow.le unfortunately this means that the families that were evacuated have to spend an evening in the evacuation center. we are at this time allowing families one by one to go back into four of the five buildings to retrieve necessities like medication and those kinds of things. again our hope is that we hillary solve thatve tomorrow. we will resolve that tomorrow. with regards to the investigation i can tell you there is a little more about our subject. we recently left the neuro science programh on a voluntary -- it was a voluntary separation. he hails from riverside california andia attended uc riverside campus. neighbors reported he lived alone and kept to himself. i had the same cautions about the social media. one of the things modern investigators do ishe watch what appears on the internet to see what clues we can find. we know you do that too. in the year of blogs and everything else we caution you that everything you read may not be true. with regard to our theaters in aurora, there are four theaters that show this, and we will have extra security at those theaters out of an abundance of caution. and i have been getting calls from colleagues across the country asking about this, and id told them i don't know what you should do with your theaters, but that's what we are dmog aurora for awhile. we are fully staffed in our districts and we are doing shifts to support the krill scene and the new event on paris . if we have any demands for those assets since we were fully taxed we will turn to our colleagues to help us. thehe aurora town center has been cooperative with the aurora police department. have iti a new tip line if there are any further tips anyone wants to call. it is the crimestoppers number. we are offering a general information line for the community, not for the press. i think the press knows how to reach us. 739-1862. our suspect is now county jail. i just got a call from the sheriff and he asked if i want his picture released, so no. i won't be releasing his picture forpi investigative reasons. he will behe arraigned -- we will have a first court appearance 8:30 in district court. there has been overwelming outpouring of support for our families, for our victims, for our community, for our cops, for our firefighters, for our ems people, for our investigators by this entire community. we received letters of concern and condolences, just remarkable. our community restaurants started pouring pizzas into the area and it is wonderful. have an announcement on behalf of the city. sunday at 6:30 p.m. there will be ail prayer vigil in front of the aurora municipal center. we know the mayor and governor will speak and there will be an appropriate moment of reflection for our community. finally i want to offer a huge thanks to our coroner to help us with the crime scene to extau diet the recovery of the bodies which is so, so important to our community. in terms of the next press briefing, we expect to be able to brief you tomorrow afternoon at would:00 p.m. i will take questions. >> is there a motive at this point? >> if there was a motive we would not share it with you. l let it play out in the course of the criminal prosecution. >> did he talk to you? >> i will not talk about his admissions. >> is that legal? >> my understanding is all of the weapons he possessed he possessed legally, and all of the clips he possessed, he possessed legally, and all of the ammunition he possessed, he possessed legally. >> i won't discuss how he got in. that's part of our investigation. as much as i would like to be cooperative to you folks, the most important thing is that there is justice for these victims and that justice will occur in a courtroom. whener ever i say no here it is there is a higher reason and that is h to make sure she prosecuted correctly. >> [inaudible]. >> no i can't. i gave a description of his appearance. he wasr dressed all in black. he was entirely in black wearing a gas mask, a ballistic helmet, a tactile ballistic vest. tactile means places to put gear and clips, and in addition it was bulletproof. or it was bullet resistant. he was wearing ballistic legging in case he took a round in the legs. he was wearing throat two techs and groin protection and tactile gloves. that's what he looked like in the theater. >> can you tell us if the devices he had outside of the gun? >> i don't know enough -- those here this morning know i reported that he released it appears two devices and set off some sort of smoke and/or chemic ear taint. i don't know enough about them now to answer any questions. >> our cops went through a lot. as i tol id you this morning they rushed people out of the theater and into police cars. i have heard some compelling stories. one of the things we are working on is how we are going to deal with our own trauma. and we spent some time today with our three department psychologists, and somehow in the next couple days when this has slowed down,d one of our highest priorities is to deal with our own officers and how they cope with this event. anything else? >> where did he get the arm ?g. >> i have no idea. >> what kind of mask? >> it was a gas mask. >> can you m tell us about the families evacuated? >> you know, i apologize that i don't know how many families are evacuated. there are a total of five apartment buildings. they are all roughly the same size. theyl me are three-story buildis with anywhere from six to ten units on a floor. you can do the math. >> what the police officers were wearing. they got their quickly. >> the officers who responded were wearing a regular uniform equipment including ballistic protection. we had a lot of people outlast night because it was a friday night and he had extra officers on the street. so we were very, very fortunate that. we had about 25 officers there like that. as i said, somewhere between 150 officers and deputies quickly after. >> how long do you believe he was plan ?g. >> have i no way to answer that question and if i did i wouldn't. >> i was asked if he has an attorney. yes, he has an attorney. >> you mentioned that there was off duty security? >> yes, we work off duty security at the theater on weekends. this was a thursday night, and we were not there. we were there about 90 seconds. >> how are you doing? >> i am doing just fine. >> i have some information from my detectives, but i will you.hare it with one more question. >> i don't know how many bullets went through the adjacent theater. i know enough that one person was hit. that concludes this briefing. at 2:00 afternoon p.m., thank you very much, folks. >> that is the police chief oates out in colorado. he did give us some information. it was earlier reported that there were 70 victims here. in fact, 71 now. he produced that number to 70. confirming that 12 people were dead as a result of the shooting that started late last night in aurora, colorado. there were 10 in the theater and two at a local hospital. he talked a little about the weapons. in fact, he said that the guns and the clips and the ammunition was in fact secure legally. he talked about the rounds of gun used, rounds of ammunition. as high as 6,000, maybe more, and 100-round shoot off 50uld and 60 rounds at one time. and it hase been reported by people in the theater and it was rapid fire. the police chief did mention that theid police in colorado did meet with the friends and familyxt and they are expecting to n released the name of the 12 victims. some of the families in fact have not been notified as of this hour. public schools will be opened up and there will be professional grief counseling given to people in the community as of some point tomorrow. he alsmoo talked about the five apartment buildings surrounding the apartment of the alleged shooter. called what he saw a very vexing problem to enter that apartment safely. literally things filled with liquid and mortar rounds he talked with, and the issue we learned earlier as we were coming on the air o tonight, that in fact they had decided to put that off. all firecrews, most police have in fact pulled out from the evacuation around the apartment and all that no remains are policel securing the perimeter. and he aso talked about fames are being allowed one by one to go back to the apartments if theye need medicationett set raw. he talked about social media, his background and there will be extra security they theaters in aurora over the weekend. he gave a tip line and announced the suspect in this casene has retained an attorney. joining me with reaction on how police will carry out this procedure is todd wheeler and former nypd detective who will be checking in withpd some of the people who were eyewitnesses to all of this. if i can begin with you, i think the biggest concern we have is we go back to his word here. it is a very vexing problem to enter that apartment safely. this has to be their chief concern at this hour, and they put it off until tomorrow. your thoughts? >> my thoughts on this, i heard there was supposedly loud music coming out of the apartment. it is strange he told the police officers, don't go in there, it is boob be trapped. it makes one think that is part of his going nuts. maybe he had a problem with the landlord there or with people that lived in the building. maybe he played music loud and he wanted somebody to go in the apartment to tbet the full blunt of what -- to get the full blunt of what was going on there. you have to take your time. they will use the fbi and demolition people. why would we want to risk a cop getting killed with stuff they don't though about? >> and the governor did in an emotional press conference leading up to the police chief, he talked about the acts of heroism that have gone on since last night and all throughout the day as well, but when he talks about wires, trip wires, jars filled with liquids anrtd mortar rounds and sounds like it was paid for in a major way. >> i have been following this case all day. police indicated that thedi reason they did not want to go in is this guy made a comment pertaining having boob be trapped his actual apartment. i think there is a number of reasons why the police would not gold in, especially tonight. the other thing that is significant in response to the bombs being there is this is a pre planned event, sean. this guy had been planning this event according to some reports as early as april of this year. the police will have to confirm that. if that's the case, this guy was really, really well prepared. they actually reported they saw buckets of ammunition, sean, in thi,s guy's apartments. >> this is>> chilling what they will have to relate with when it comes to the booby traps. in all of your years of police work have you ever seen anything that elaborate set up some. >> no, i never heard of anything like that. why would he have told the cops? that's what is so strange. he is a strange person, but for him to tell them about it, i would think he would go out in a blaze of gluery rue. glory. all of that ammunition that was obtained over the internet , and that clip with the hundred rounds, i don't want to disagree with the chief, but there are federal laws now with the extra round clips, and that is a federal offense now. >> i'm sure we will get more information in the days to come. he thought they were purchased legally, but i think they only found out late this afternoon. there might be an up a date on that -- an update on that. >> you dealt with a lot of criminals in the course of your career. it is odd he goes on this shooting rampage. she caught and then tells the police "i boob be trapped my apartment." thank god he did. apparently they would have walked in and that's where they were set. >> well here is the thing i want to caution you about. i am not sure if this guy said he boob be trapped s his apartment. he could have said he had more explosive devices in his apartment. if you notice in some of the video we have been showing, the police are outside his apartment using a camera. they are looking in from the outside. i am not so sure if that is exactly the language he used. if it is the language he used, i do believe this guy intended for more people to be harmed. not only at his apartment, but maybe at other locations as well. >> he also mentioned he had explosives in his car to the officers, i believe, and there was no explosives in the car. they ripped the car apart. now he mentioned about explosives in his house or whatever, but this is a totally skits -- schizophrenic bipolar person who wants to go out in a blaze of glory. >> but the police chief did confirm that they had the cameras go into this and they saw the set ups themselves. they see these wires and trip wireus. it is going to be difficult. thank you for being with us. coming up, james holmes is in custody and not cooperating with police at this hour. we will have a live report from outside his home which at this hour remains boob be trapped and some eyewitness reports coming up on "hannity." suspect's apartment. the police chief said a few moments ago at the press conference that they will take up the task ever trying to get into the booby trapped apartment tomorrow. and our mike toben is outside the apartment. >> if you look over my right shoulder, there's the apartment building the police chief referred to as a very vexing problem. you heard about the theories what they will do to neutralize the bombs. but as you hear the police chief run down what is in there, jars filled with liquid, mortor rounds. and you should get up what should be ground zero in terms of evidence. so you add that to the list of concerns and reasons the police are not in a hurry to enter that apartment right now. all of the trip wires, all of the things that could set things off. you heard the police chief talking about the fact they have experts from the federal government coming in to assist them so they can really good a good idea as far as what is inside that apartment, how they can neutralize it without harming anyone and without doing any more construction. you look around and you see a lot of police tape up. the area around five apartment buildings that is blocked off. the only police presence is police officers securing the perimeter, sean. >> as us pan in again to that apartment where the suspect lived and this is the very apartment that the police chief described as having wires and trip wires and jars filled with liquid, the one good thing is they did get a camera in there. they do know what is in there and they got a pretty good understanding, i would have to assume, even though he said he has never seen anything like it and it's a vexing problem to enter safely. at this idea do they have a good idea what they have going on in there? >> it really seems to be the case. they probably have a rough idea how to diffuse it. you heard the police chief mention they have other experts coming in. so time is on their side. there's nothing right now that would compel them to enter that apartment so they have got other experts coming in. they want to study and, they want to come up with a smart plan to go in there so you don't have anything blow up or catch fire. we heard descriptions there is powder on the ground and known nice what it is right now. could it be destructive to people. so figure out what you've got, then go in the apartment and deal with it. >> mike tobin is outside of the suspect's apartment ton. thanks for being with us. joining me from colorado, two of two eyewitness toss the shooting. they were together at the movie theater when the shooting began and they join me now with their account. trey, let me start with you. sorry what you had to go through. where were you guys sitting at the time this all began? >> we were probably -- we were on the right-hand side of the theater and we were probably about 15, 16 rows up from the screen where the man entered through the right emergency exit. >> did you feel this irritant we've been told about all day? >> yeah. we like -- all we heard was like banging noises and we saw the gas, the first gas tank he threw and it hit the row right in front of us. >> trey, let me go back to you. when he first came in we were told that some type of repellant, some type of eye irritant was released, maybe teargas, something to that effect and the shooting began and apparently he aimed for the back of the theater. is that what you first saw? >> well, we saw it a little differently. he threw the first bomb or whatever it was, the canister, into the row in front of us and after that exploded he threw a second one before he fired any shots and after the second one exploded we witnessed him shoot his first shot into the air as if to scare the whole crowd and cause chaos. after that, that's when everyone started running around, jumped on the ground, taking their things, looking for people. is and after that that's when he started firing shots in succession one after another. >> how long did that go on for. >> i mean, it seemed like forever, but it was probably only about a minute and thirty seconds, maybe two minutes. he fired them pretty quickly. >> how quickly were both of you able to get out of there? there had been some reports that some people in the beginning thought maybe this is just part of the hype for the movie. obviou hadly that couldn't have lasted long. how long did it take for people to exit that theater? >> just i would say between like two to three minutes because people were still putting together what's going on because at first when he walked in nobody knew what to think. >> there were ashtrays i -- pretty amazing story. i guess you were in theater nine. there's a story about a guy in theater 8 that brought in and eventually came face-to-face with the shooter, but he was able to save a couple of girls that were outside, one that was injured. did you see people inside the theater, things like that, where people in this moment where the lives are at risk that put their life on the line to try to help others? >> honestly i went to the movie with him and two of my other friends and when the shooting occurred, we, all four of us, jumped on to the floor to take cover behind seats. we jumped on top of each other and we were covering each other. i don't know what good it would have done, but just for security we were covering one another laying on to the ground. we actually had our eyes closed at that point because the gas was so horrible, especially since the first canister having dropped right next to us. >> how close did he get to you? the shooter. >> about 50 feet away. >> i'm sorry, say it again? >> about 50 feet. >> he was in the dead center of the screen at one point. >> a chilling account. you know, all the best toa auror and our best to you and other folks. >> thank you. >> you will hear from the brave young movie-goer who pulled the young movie-goer who pulled the fire my life is full of statistics. thing is, i could've dropped out of school and become one myself, but i didn't because i had people that believed in me. here's another statistic. 7,000 students drop out every school day. that's one ever 26 seconds. it's time that student know that we believe in them. announcer: inspire a student and share your message of support at boostup.org. theater. thank you for being here. brittney, tell us that story. you pulled the fire alarm. >> we were at the top right of the theater, near the top, and suddenly i saw things kind of suddenly i saw things being flown in hit the floor as fast e could once we realized what was going on. we could see people running towards the exit to the left. and when we thought it was clear a a bunch of us were heading toward the top exit where i pulled the fire alarm. >> first of all, under that type of stress and pressure, the fact that you were able to think like that, and lot of other people calling 911 and people in other theaters helping. you hear stories of people who really went out of their way to help under very difficult circumstances. where were you sitting, writ any? >> we were in the top right, about five rose from the top. we were on the right-hand of the staircase where there is only about two seats. we had like a direct view where the shooter was standing. >> kevin, one of the original reports that i saw was in fact that the first shot actually went to those back rows where you were. do you remember it that way? >> i don't remember it that way but i do remember hearing constant gunfire. we were actually on the ground so we didn't see anything very well. >> did either one of you -- at any point did you think that this -- maybe this was part of the movie, there's a lot of hype to the new batman movie, or -- you did think -- so there was a period where you thought maybe this is something that you didn't expect that was part of the movie experience? >> exactly. there was canisters and we thought somebody was just messing around but eventually the theater got really foggy. we realized it wasn't a joke. >> we've been to lots of midnight premieres before where there's lots of fans and they will put on shows beforehand so it's like, okay, some people are getting into it. but once people started screaming and gunshots started firing, it was no longer a question in our mind that it was real and something bad was happening. >> only too real, sadly. brittney, how long did it take you to get out of the theater and how chaotic a was it? >> it was hard to tell. we were on the ground for a couple seconds to minutes and then we ran up the stairs. so it's really hard to tell but it didn't seem like it was longer than a couple minutes. >> kevin, the rapid fire, how long did it seem to go on and did it seem to just not stop? >> the gunshots went off for about 30 to 45 seconds consecutively, and eventually it stopped. >> brittney, did you at any point look up and know where he was or was it just too foggy to see at this point? >> i only saw him like emerging from the shadows when he first started shooting. after that we were down on the ground and then facing the exit door. i didn't want to look back. >> i'm glad you guys got out safely. thanks for what you did, brittney, to help others there and being able to think on your feet like that. i'm sure that helped a lot. and our thoughts and prayers go out to the community. thank you both for being with us. >> thank you. >> thanks, sean. >> coming up, the state of colorado is all too familiar with tragedy. we are going to speak to the man who authored the book "define the >> we heard a loud explosion and shortly after that, that's when we heard gunshots open up. >> the first thing we see is a 13, 14-year-old girl with a bullet wound in her leg and her stomach and probably her chest. >> and joining me now with reaction to the shooting massacre is psychotherapist dr. robbie dudwog. and the author of "defining the columbine shooting." thank you for being here. these incidents happen, doctor, and it's so senseless. where were the signs, the evidence, the symptoms in the only thing that i heard today that made me there there was some evidence is when the mother said, yeah, it's him almost immediately. >> right. it's very hard to predict who is going to be violent, especially if somebody doesn't have a history of violence, and this man didn't have a history of violence. so very often when people see signs there's denial. we don't want to think that the people we know are capable of this kind of violence, but it sounds like there was some sort of break that went on with this man and in his mind he became part of the movie. >> it's almost like the joker, right? >> he became the joker, and the first night of the movie, that's the most important night. and who knows who the audience became in their own mind. were they batman sympathizers? he was trying to make himself powerful. >> the level of detail is chilling. as i was listening to the police chief industry how he had literally, you know, prepared -- basically for a war. >> right. >> and then, of course, the booby trapped apartment ever his shows the level of thought and preparation that went into this. >> right. and most shooters do. the public, you know, frequently a lot of journalists use a lot of words like "snap" and that's one of the words we need to take out of our vocabulary because it's almost like a gradual illness whether it's a mental illness building unor whatever, it's gradual. we don't have a great amount of information on shooters in general but school shooters -- >> columbine. >> and they did a study of shooters and 93% planned it in advance. it's almost never a spur of the moment thing. >> can we glean anything, doctor, from the fact that he didn't use social media a lot, his neighbors talked about he was quiet, he lived alone, and social media, even though the police chief was warning that, you know, what you are reading may not be true but there's not a lot so far that they were able to find on social media about it. >> it's so hard. hindsight is 20-2 and there are people who don't use social media who are very healthy. i think we need to understand better these people who might be more fragile and get a better sense of a person who might be more inclined to be violent. but it's very hard and we don't really know all of the answers. >> i think we have to take a really big breath. the media has been actually responsible today on not jumping to conclusions and with columbine we jumped to all sorts of conclusions and these were hard end into facts and turned out to be myths but they are still with us today. everyone has to take the next few days, as we get pieces of information, not to jump to conclusions too soon. >> joining us now is the founder of the jay louder ministries, jay, and thank you for being with us. talking about a psychologist or psychiatry and the spiritual side of people. i mean, i can't put any other words except this is an evil act of somebody who has absolutely no understand of human life or compassion or empathy. you deal with this in the ministry, as well. there's a spiritual side of people here. >> well, there's any doubt about that. the spiritual component is often not one that is talked about. but the realities of evil and good are prevalent all through society. and you look at a situation like this and you realize how brief life is. and you realize that the best way to combat this type of thing is through faith. it's through a relationship with christ. it's through trust in him. as an evangelist and a person of faith i have to believe that is a solution for this. >> listen, it's always important to be spiritual and to have faith, but this is a person who was feeling rejected, who was feeling angry, who was feeling vengeful and was not well. >> obviously not living rooted in reality. >> no. it seemed like he -- you know, he became part of the movie. >> it was frustrating to me as some people go out on social media and start a gun control debate or they want to blame talk radio and so on and so forth, but can't there just be people who are bad people and are disconnected from reality? >> absolutely. there are people who are bad and evil and don't care about other people and i don't know if this person fits into that category. >> thanks for being us with. i appreciate it. we have the continuing coverage of the >> i got people running out of the theater. they're shot. >> they've been shot. >> they've been shot. >> i got a child victim. i need rescue at the back door, theater 9. now. >> engine 8... >> do we have gas masks available? >> three to four ambulances we'll get started with. >> i need officers on the east side block. >> the suspect is going to be a male, unknown age. black cameo. we need to be wearing a vest, gas mask and long vest. >> greta: we're live outside of the movie theater in aurora, colorado. 12 are dead. 58 people injured after a gunman opens fire in a packed movie theater during the premier of the new batman film. at this moment police are at the suspect apartment. but now they didn't go in to investigate. and mike tobin is live at the scene. what is the latest at the scene? >> right now, it's quiet scene out here, as you look, you can see what appears to be a red light burning inside of the apartment of james holmes. you can see glass is broken away. that is where the bomb squad got up there. there are reports a