but you won't believe where. >> if the dog does find something, i will be shocked. >> is it self-defense or just getting away with murder? the florida statute leaving some thoughting for justice. and, teens attack a man in the d.c. subway. all caught on tape. coming up, tonight. hello and welcome to justice, i'm judge jeanine pirro. all too quickly people started to point the finger and people started to point the finger and the blame game began. i sat down with bill o'reilly l for a candid heart to heart. take a look. >> the fact that you are the h king in cable television. have any advice? sceedcceed. >> how do you succeed? >> you will be fine. you have a sharp point of view and that is what cableyohave television audiences want. as long as you are straight asong with them and you have always been straight throughout youryo career, both on and off tv, should be a very, very good goo run. >> your lips to god's ears. >>t wa bill, let's talk about lastcoun week. it was a tough week for theas country. shooting? >> i was home, actually writing my next book. how ironic is this? the next book is called killing lincoln, about the lincoln sanctification. actually, at the terminal, writing the book and then i have, you know, like a wire thing that comes in and it was bing bing bing bing, so i looked at it and i went oh, not another one. that's what you always think, not another one. martin luther king day, he goes down in 196. you know, we're a noble country, but, -- >> scary stuff. within a few hours you have the chief law enforcement officer who comes out and starts playing the blame game. all of a sudden you are in the middle of this. why do you think that is? >> dupnik, i think, made a tremendous mistake. i think he knows it now. you can't really tear him to pieces because he has been in law enforcement more than 30 years. he has served the people of people that county. they like him. i'm not going to go after him as pattern. tactically he did everything wrong. >> i was a chief law enforcement officer in a county of a million people when someone i dos, the public wants to know the facts. they want to know if they are safe. >> bill: not political point of view. >> 30 years doesn't buy you that. it really doesn't. with all due respect it really doesn't. >> separate the incompetence of the moment from dupnik from who dupnik is. that's what i did. i wasn't willing to say this guy should be fired, boot him out of there i was willing to say he made a terrible mistake. >> i think that many people agree with you, obviously. in the quiet of the night, bill, when you are sitting by yourself, when you are searching your soul,. [ laughter ] >> i'm asleep, jeanine. i'm searching the pillow. >> a guy like to you writes book and does television and writes speeches, you are thinking, you are up at night. >> i'm sorry to interrupt your question but this is interesting. as soon as i saw the politicizing of this, i knew that on monday when i came in i would have to do it. because, you know, like it or not, the factor is now the news program of record in this country. >> there is no question. >> not couric or williams, these people are fine, but they are not the news program of record. this is. the factor is. so i knew i was going to have to get on the air and say. >> you didn't you would be a part of it in the way that they put the blame game. >> i saw it expand because, you know, the gutter snipes over at the competition they just seize this all day long. now, this is the good news is, that the blow-back has put them in a position that i don't think they are ever going to recover from. i think the left has damaged itself so much this week that it's not going to recover for years. >> all right. the country this week talked about getting involved in, you know, a lesser partisan rhetoric. next week they come back, same game? >> bill: pretty much the same game. they are going to try to repeal obama care. i think there will be more -- there won't be as many bombs thrown. there won't be as many, you know, obama is an idiot or, you know, that kind of stuff. it will be more just the facts, which is what it should be. so, i expect that to carry over for a few weeks, maybe a few months. but, by summer, we will be right back into, you know, because have you got to understand something, there is a lot of money to be made by these personal attacks, both on radio and television. they are making a lot of money, and in the newspapers as well. >> you mean there is a motivation. >> yes. because the internet has correspondsenned the dialogue in the country. if you punch it up on the internet you see the most vile things in the world. these bloggers hide behind anonymity. when they get used to that they want to see it on television and radio. polite discourse becomes boring. you can make a lot of money and people do by attacking other people. that's what i expect to continue. >> all right. real fast, guns. usually after something like, this the antigun people come out, carolyn mccarthy came out. no traction. more guns sold in arizona. >> bill: i think people get it that government can't protect them anymore. i think 9/11 had a lot that was one of the unintended consequences government can't protect you. you have to protect yourself. >> this week on my show we're talking about stand your ground in florida. guys think someone is going to rob him. shoot him eight times not charged with murder. >> bill: if you are a criminal, you go on somebody else's property or assault them, you can wind one a bullet in your head. >> there is no question. this guy was running. he was on a track. we know we don't have much time. obama, you talked about his inability to engage with ordinary folk. did he do it at the memorial? >> yes, yes. the president gave a good speech which was marred by the crowd's immature action. the crowd didn't know what was going on. a bunch of dopey college kids. they should have been prepped. they weren't prepped. if i were the president, the first time i heard an outburst that really wasn't appropriate, i would put up my hand and go, you know, i appreciate the support, but this is a memorial service. just let me, you know, let's just do it this way. but i thought the speech itself was heart-felt. a lot of people say it was a kickoff. it was cynical. i don't believe that i could be wrong. >> two quick questions. you are going to the white house super bowl sunday to interview obama. the one question you are dying to ask him but won't. >> nothing i won't ask him. >> bill: nothing solve the table? >> no. >> bill: so we have to watch the interview. >> yeah. you know me. how long have you known me? is there a question i wouldn't ask in. >> last question. who jury favorite host on "the view." >> elizabeth is really nice. i have known her for a while. she is just a nice person. barbara walters and i go way back. mutual respect there. so i would say that i don't know the others very well. and i don't think i'm going to be getting to know joy too well. i don't think that's going to happen. but i, you know, barbara and elizabeth. >> good. all right. thanks so much, bill. >> good luck and we'll be watching. >> bill: it wasn't just the media caught in the firestorm. the nasty tone of debate in washington was also singled out. will things change? in an op ed in sunday's "the washington post" senator john mccain praises the president for his he speech at wednesday's memorial and calls on politicians and the media to do better: representative nita lowe joins me now from washington. congresswoman thanks so much for being with us tonight. what about what's going on today? right after the shooting in arizona, the blame game began. what do you attribute that to? >> well, first of all, judge, it's good to be here with you. >> thank you. >> gabby giffords is a very talented member of congress. she is tough, she is smart, she is kind, she is gracious. and this incident really took us all by such -- it was such a shock. i do neighborhood office hours all over my district. she does congress on the corner. and to think when you are out there doing your job, talking to constituents something horrific like this should happen. so we are all very shocked. >> judge: i'm sure you are, the question is, why is it that the blame game began? we all know this jared loughner is the individual who shot her. the federal judge and so many other people. but why the blame game? why did that turn political? i understand she was doing her job. but why is this about the rhetoric and why did the blame start with cable news? sarah palin, the rest of them? >> well, first of all, judge, i'm hoping we can learn from this, we can move forward. we can differ on the issues but we can have reasonable discussions and not attack and raised voices, yell and scream. >> judge: let's go to the issue of obama care. clearly the vote to repeal obama care is something that's going to be considered. would you do you think so many people are against it? >> well, first of all, i think every piece of legislation that i have voted on since i have been in the congress certainly can be open to amending. but whether you have a piece of legislation and there were a lot of input in this legislation. and when it gets rid of many, many issues that we have been concerned about, such as not giving insurance to someone with a preexisting condition, not covering a youngster past 26. making sure that there isn't a cap on coverage, we needed to have health care. and, you know, judge, i met with all kinds of businesses in my district. and one of the key concerns they have is their insurance premiums rising. we had to put some controls in place. and, again, i hope republicans and democrats can work together in amending it. >> judge: there is no question we all do and we expect it as we should this is the united states we vote for people to represent us. we expect there be a civilized dialogue. the question is about obama care. the things you said are all good and there aren't many people who deny it why do the polls show that people are against it? why is there even this effort to repeal it not so much about politics but if it's good for the people, wouldn't they want it? >> well, when you think that there are about 40 million people who will then be able to get health care when the plan is put in place, when the exchanges are set up, -- and, you know, there are those out there attacking it and making it very complicated. >> judge: congress congresswoman lowe, thank you for joining us. why is he the one that gets arrested? he is here tonight to explain. that's next. >> judge jeanine: welcome back. with the eyes of the nation focused on arizona this past week, some people were calling for tougher gun control laws. but the real action on gun control was taking place in florida where a controversial law was put to the test. when a man who was just out for a jog chose to stand his ground. >> november 24th. around 1:30 a.m. 28-year-old thomas baker is out for a run on the dark streets of tampa. he is approached by two men, 1-year-old carlos mathala and 16-year-old friend. told he thought teenagers were going to rob him. a fight breaks out. although neither teen is armed. baker takes out his 45 caliber handgun and and fires eight times. >> about 1:30 i heard five gunshots. >> judge jeanine: when the shooting stopped, carlos is dead. this week, prosecutors announced baker will not be charged for the shooting because of a florida law called stand your ground. the statute states citizens who believe they are in danger of serious bodily injury or death are allowed to defend themselves and use deadly force with total immunity. >> it's just a tragedy for everybody today. >> critics of the law and carlos' family say this is anything but reasonable. >> well, thomas baker was be a solved under the stand your ground law. eric was not so lucky. he joins me with his attorney kevin ambler. welcome to both of you. eric, you just saw that package. how did it make you feel? >> frustrated, disappointed. >> judge jeanine: you have got someone who shoots and kills an 18-year-old who is unarmed who doesn't have a criminal record. shoots them in the back three times, and he is totally absolved, nobody files any charges. your situation totally different. tell us what happened. >> completely different. in our case basically my former girlfriend, her son was being bullied by a group of teens from their high school. >> judge jeanine: there was a history here. what you had was vandalism at your house. your cars were vandalized. your girlfriend's son had been assaulted. he was threatened. threatened with baseball bats. >> correct. >> judge jeanine: on the night in question, what brings everything to a head? >> we received a phone call after we had already called the police in a nonemergency number reporting the instances that had taken place the night before. they were already sending a police officer to the house. in the meantime, after we received -- we ended that call, we actually received a call from a fellow friend of mckensey stating that she drove by a local gas station and saw all of these cars with all the teens and that they were all headed to our house with multiple cars and multiple teens. >> judge jeanine: all right. they are headed to your house. there is a history of threats, assault, vandalism. they actually get together and say we're coming. what do you do? >> well, we i-i was actually walking out of the house. i had my 9-year-old and my girlfriend's 13-year-old daughter with me. we were actually leaving the premises. because the police were already on their way. we find out that they are actually on their way. i literally, as we walked out, mackenzie was already out on the street. he saw the vehicles that were there with the kids or the teens. >> judge jeanine: all right. do you grab a gun. >> not at this point. at this point i grab the two kids and rush back into the house. i run back in the house. >> judge jeanine: okay. at some point you come out with a gun. >> the reason i came out with a gun is because i realized i had left poor mackenzie who is the actual target for their assault out in the street with them. so then. >> judge jeanine: do you shoot the gun. >> i did shoot the gun but only after one of the teens came at me flailing his hands with an object in his hand and threatening me. >> judge jeanine: all right. so you are on your property. there is a history of bad blood and threats towards your girlfriend's son. >> correct. >> judge jeanine: you have a .357, i understand. >> correct. >> judge jeanine: how many teens were on your property. >> at the time there were three. there were multiple vehicles with multiple teens. >> judge jeanine: you call the police. you actually call the police yourself. >> prior. >> judge jeanine: they are on their way. what happens when they get there. >> when who gets there, the police? >> judge jeanine: the police. >> when the police get there, i had already had the three boys or three teens actually awaiting for them. i did exactly what i was trained to do in conceal weapons class. i placed the handgun down, faced away french, took three large steps barks put my hands in the air, said it was my weapon. they proceeded to handcuff me and treat me as the -- >> judge jeanine: you are the one that gets arrested. after all of this you get arrested. kevin, you are the attorney here, you were a legislature. did it help get this stand your ground laws passed. doesn't make sense he is the one that gets arrested on his own property, calling the police telling them to come. is he charged with five felonies? >> well, the -- one of the problems that occurred there is that a lot of the law enforcement agencies have not received adequate training, education on the change in the law. that's number one. number two, one of the problems that he had was that the teens were on the lawn of the property immediately adjacent to his property. >> judge jeanine: threatening him? they were threatening him. >> but the cops made the distinction if he had been standing on his lawn, they wouldn't have arrested him but because they were on the neighbor's lawn they did. >> judge jeanine: how do you justify the fact that somebody is running, jogging, not on his own property, he kills someone, shoots them in the back and at the end of the day the guy didn't even have a weapon? how does -- how does this make any sense? >> there is definitely distinction if the way law enforcement treats people with a conceal weapon permit which mr. baker had. mr. conocco received all the training and completed the course but did not have a certificate. >> judge jeanine: this is a problem. with more people buying guns now, 20 states have stand your ground. should be able to defend yourself. in this case, i don't think the law worked for you. >> thank you. >> judge jeanine: a man minding his own business, gets attacked by a group of thugs on a busy subway flat form. what happened next is just sickening. he is here to tell us his sto [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspireby you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where u want to be. ♪ because your moment is now. let nothing stand in your way. ♪ diabetes testing? 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[shouting] [bleep] >> judge jeanine: that was video captured on a bystander's cell phone. alan hayward was the man that was attacked. he joins me now. alan, thanks for being here. you are on the receiving end of this. you can tell me what happened? >> well, i had been at work on sunday and, after work, went to the gym. i was kind of tired but it's kind of early to drop new years resolutions just yet. after work i was going to go home on the subway. i got on at capitol hill. two stations up i needed to change plaza metro station. just seven blocks from the capitol right by some museums and government buildings. i got off the lower platform got on the escalator to go upstairs to the upper platform to wait for my train which would have been 7:15 at night. i stood up against a column and pulled my book out to read for a few minutes. i had five minutes until my train was coming. just as i started to read my book, someone reached out from behind the column and hit me hard, really hard in the head. >> judge jeanine: with what? >> i don't know. i couldn't tell the first time. maybe fists but i'm not sure. i saw something but i couldn't tell. i turned around to see what happened what i saw was a 12-year-old boy laughing. i said what are you doing? except using more grawsk language. and then more people started hitting me on the head from behind, just blow after blow after blow, hitting me. and i turned around to see who that was. it was a group of older teenagers, high school age. >> judge jeanine: what do you think they were trying to do? do you think they were trying to kill you? >> we had had no interaction. they never tried to rob me. who knows. it's so pointless and stupid. i suspect it may have been just to make a video because the three or four or five that were hitting me, there were six or seven friends that seemed to be with them. they were all right there holding cell phones and cameras up. just hovering right around it. >> judge jeanine: we're talking. >> making pictures and videos. between the ones that were hitting me and the ones that surrounding us and making pictures. the video that's out there was from a bystander. i haven't yet seen footage from the ones that were involved. but that may have been the purpose, if any, for this. >> judge jeanine: and no one seems to help you. >> it's a busy, crowded, station. it wasn't late at night. it wasn't an end of the line stop. >> judge jeanine: you are yelling. they know i'm looking at you now. i'm seeing bruising. >> it looks a lot better than it did. i'm yelling, i'm screaming. one to confront them and two to make a commotion and ruckus and hopefully draw some attention. >> judge jeanine: no one helped. >> i can see maybe not wanting to get involved physically in someone afraid to get caught up in it. as far as i know, no one went to the station manager or the booth. the alarm, you know, panic intercom, nothing. >> judge jeanine: do you pick yourself up? do you fall to the ground? what happened? >> at one point i was starting to go down. and all i could see were the ones around me hitting me. and from behind. and then the next row was the people hovering with the cameras. i thought it was going to take a turn for much worse. >> judge jeanine: where is the investigation now? do you know? >> the city is rolling out a broad program, i think because of this, to really try to sweep and clean up and crack down on these rowdy teenagers. >> judge jeanine: we don't know who they are. if they were captured or apprehended, what do you think should happen to them? >> i'm assuming they are juveniles so they will be on a different track. what i would like to have happen to them and probably what will might be two different things. i hope they are at least identified and caught and brought to at least juvenile justice because they need to be held accountable because if we act like it's okay, they don't do anything, they will keep doing it. >> judge jeanine: how do you feel about going in a subway especially one last year the metro police stood by and did nothing when there was that attack on a girl. do you remember that? >> i have been on the metro many times since then and the buses. i'm a little bit different though. most regular commuters you stakeout your spot where you want to get off. close to the escalator, exit make your change. now i stand by the panic button and certainly more aware of what might be behind me. >> judge jeanine: i want to thank you so much for sharing your story with us. if you have more information on the attack against alan. please call the d.c. metro police at 202-962-1792. thanks for being with us. up next, a sheriff's office that didn't do its job and the victims who are paying the price. >> i just feel very -- i feel very robbed. because i could have -- do now what i wish i could have done so many years ago. i have lost so many relationships. i have lost so much of my life because this couldn't -- because someone couldn't take the time to do it. host: could switching to geico really save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance? host: was abe lincoln honest? mary todd: does this dress make my backside look big? abe: perhaps a... vo: geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. from america's news headquarters, i'm lauren green. a bizarre turn of events reported from a town hall meeting in tucson late saturday. eric fuller a 63-year-old veteran survived gun shot wounds in last week's deadly attacks and now is charged with threats and intimidation. a spokesman for the tucson tea party was speaking at the event when fuller pulled out a photo of him and said "you're dead." suspected members of a drug cartel caught on tape. the bloody standoff at this home in vera cruz lasted six hours and by the time it was over, 12 suspects and two soldiers were dead. inside the house army officials found grenades, ammunition and vehicles. i'm lauren green. now, back to "justice" with judge janine. o justice with judge jeanine. >> judge jeanine: welcome back to justice. this next story is heart breaking. victims are paying the price for backlog in crime labs in this country. take a look. lazaro had just turned 17. on the night of august 5th, 1996, she was out enjoying her present, a new car. >> this new car was so special to me. i wanted to take it to the car wash. >> at around 10:00 p.m., a man came around the corner. >> he looked like such a normal guy. he approached me with this rag over his face. >> she says alarms were going off in her head. she tried to hop in her car to escape, but the man slid in the backseat, put a knife to her throat, and demanded she drive. >> i didn't know what to do. i just felten an instinct to comply for survival. >> judge jeanine: helena took our cameras along the route she took that night. after a winding trip through the dark los angeles streets. they parked in this desolate lot. >> at night, none of this is here. totally empty. >> judge jeanine: over the next few hours, she was raped multiple times. then, they moved to this underpass where he assaulted her one last time before taking off into the night. after finding a police officer, helena was taken to the hospital. a rape kit was administered and she spoke to detectives from the los angeles sheriff's department. but, after that, she never heard anything about her case again. >> i would call and would get an operator who didn't know anything and who would then put me through to someone's voice mail and no one ever called me back. >> >> judge jeanine: 13 years went by with no progress on her case. until 2009 when peace over violence, a watchdog group stepped forward to help. it turns out the police actually sent helena rape kit to the lab in 2003, got a hit, but never did anything with the information. >> within two weeks, we had results. >> the l.a. sheriff's department matched the d.n.a. to charles courtney jr., a truck driver. they discovered that two years after helena was raped. courtney jr. attacked another woman, this time 21-year-old amber lake. >> judge jeanine: helena and amber join me now. thanks for being with us. you are counseling just women. start with you, helena, they finally match your d.n.a. to courtney's. is he now being prosecuted. >> yes. was extradited in august. the 20th of this month, actually, will be his final court date before we set the preliminary hearing. >> judge jeanine: this defendant was charged with raping his own wife in between your rape and the rape of amber. i mean, what did you think when you found out that he had raped other women? were you surprised? >> i really wasn't. his nature, his anger, everything about him said to me that he was multiple offender, serial rapist. >> judge jeanine: amber, i will go to you now, in april of 1998, how old were you when you were attacked? >> i was 21. >> judge jeanine: you can take us back to that night? what happened that night? >> i had went to the grocery store to pick up some film i had dropped off. and i seen him on my way in. but i really didn't pay much attention. i came back out, and he was still out there. and i wouldn't get into my car and he came up behind me and had a knife and threatened me and told me he just needed a ride down the road. and then he got me in my car and he took me down the road to pretty much an empty truck trailer parking lot. >> judge jeanine: and he raped you. >> yes. >> it was at knife point, also. helenea, yours was at knife point. 17, 21. both brunettes, both long hair. were you amber at all surprised that he had done this before when you found out? >> no. i was not. he just seemed to me like, you know, he would -- this has been done before. and i guarantee there is probably more out there. >> judge jeanine: that there are other victims out there. let me ask you, the l.a. sheriff's department comes out. they come out to see you. and they tell you about helena's case. what do they tell you? >> they had told us -- told me that our cases were practically the same exact things had happened. and and. >> judge jeanine: amber, do they then have a rape test kit done on you? >> yes, they did. jeep jean okay. i have a rape kit here and hell hellena you can look at this as well. there are several vials here that are used for evidence for various saliva, semen and blood. we have step 1 through step 15. so we have got 15 steps. this take as long time, helena. >> yeah it took all night. >> judge jeanine: i'm going to bring in connie milton supervising criminalist with the san diego sheriff's department. she joins us from san diego. linda fairstein the head of the new york city sex crimes unit best selling author joins us here in the studio. linda, you know about this case and you have been prosecuting sex crimes for so many years. the two women here, connected by the d.n.a. of the same rapist. why did it take 13 years when this defendant had raped his wife and went to prison for five months and why did helena's test take three and a half years to even be tested? what's going on? they go through the trouble and then there is no hits? >> it is one of the hidden disgraces in the criminal justice system in this country, judge. as you know, you are so familiar with this kind of work, shocking should never have happened. d.n.a. was first introduced in our work in 1986. >> judge jeanine: why does it happen. >> because in many communities law enforcement and politics politicians have not devoted the resources to caring about this issue and funding the labs to get niece cases out of the shelf. >> judge jeanine: when you were running sex crimes in new york city, there was incredible backlog, you were on top of it. you took care of it. you got it done. right now they say there are hundred rape kiss, 200,000 that haven't been tested, sitting so that victims or survivors like helena and amber just wait for justice. >> there were no -- in the beginning of d.n.a. you had to have a particular suspect. helenaverage could not have known who charles courtney was he left town the next day to go back to do what he did to amber. >> judge jeanine: how do they know who it is. >> there was no way to do it in the early 19 the 0s. there was not a data bank. you couldn't take the evidence and upload and it hope that a computer would match it for you. that became possible and was done with helena's kit. she was never told just the most shocking disgrace. >> judge jeanine: it is outrageous. connie, i'm going to go to you. 13 years, three and a half years to wait for the match that is sitting there in the national database. why? you run a lab. >> i work in a crime laboratory. crime laboratories work at the onus of law enforcement submitting evidence to them to be tested. not every case gets submitted to us by law enforcement agencies. >> judge jeanine: but, right now, what linda is saying and what we know about l.a. is helenaverage called con tantly and there was an active person behind this rape kit. how many times do you have to ask for them to test the kit when it is so simple? this is not something new. this is a problem throughout the country. do they do this with murder cases? do they do it with other cases? why rape cases in particular is there such a backlog? >> well, as linda also said, crime laboratories need to be funded and staffed at levels that can keep up with the requests that are coming in for analyses. >> judge jeanine: but the interesting thing about this, with a rape kit, linda, the truth is, there is only -- this is the only evidence you have to test. i mean, we found homicides. you could send in 60 or 100 pieces. all you have to do, connie, is simply do the test. is there any excuse for labs not doing their job because if he had been identified with helena, it wouldn't have happened to amber. >> it's not that the laboratories are not doing their job. the laboratories may not know about rape kits that are in police, law enforcement evidence rooms. >> judge jeanine: is that true, linda. >> they may not. that's unacceptable. why isn't the sheriff's office, police department working with local sheriff's departments. why aren't politicians like rudy giuliani saying -- need the money. >> judge jeanine: i had a case, i had a victim survivor rape, they tested that kit. connie, there is no excuse. what's the solution? what are we going to do? >> we are now trying to identify all over the country trip where these kits exist evidence storage. places trying to get these labs up to speed, funded, and staffed. we are trying to get what politicians need to do, what the government needs to do on every level is pay for the staffing to do it and the machines to do the testing. it can happen like this. >> judge jeanine: not one woman should suffer. you and i both know, linda, these are repeat offenders, rapists do it again and again. helena, you are right, there is probably other victims out there. let me ask you this. how do you feel that you have waited so many years and finally going to trial? >> i feel it was long overdue. i mourn what my life could have been if it had happened sooner. i'm happy that it's moving forward now. i. closure on it. >> judge jeanine: all right. this is a topic that we're going to stay on. amber, finally, how do you feel about the fact that you spent 5 years in prison and he was still identified as someone who had another victim out there? >> i feel good that he got 25 years. i just know that there is more women out there and hopefully, you know, they could come forward. >> judge jeanine: you know what? here is the message. thank you, helena, amber, and connie, message to women, stay on top of the police department. don't let them lay back on this stuff. coming up, police have used it and now parents can too. are you worried your kids may be using drugs? we'll tell you about a new way to find out when justice continues. i'm snow. and just like you, the further into winter we go, the heavier i get. and while your pants struggle to support the heavier you, your roof struggles to support the heavier me. 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[ dennis ] dollar for dollar nobody protects you from mayhem >> judge jeanine: i'm holding a marijuana grinder with residue in it. and i'm going to hide it here in our studio. and, i will explain why in a minute. but, first, check this out. this intensely trained, highly skilled, drug-sniffing dog is about to go to work. >> i'm going to go ahead and put it upstairs in the bedroom. >> today, they are on the hunt for marijuana. not for the fbi or local law enforcement, but rather for a mom. >> this past weekend, my son had company. >> this mom, who chose to remain unidentified, brought in the dog after her son's friends acted strangely. >> i smelled something. i'm pretty sure it was marijuana. >> afraid her son's friend left a stash or, worse, her son had drugs of his own, she unleashed suzukio, the dog to search her home. >> if found something i would be shocked have he denied he or his friend used drugs and isn't entirely pleased did the search. >> it kind of invades into my personal life. >> he lives here. and he is going to abide by the law. as well as our rules. >> judge jeanine: as mom and son wait anxiously downstairs, zuko works the son's bedroom. he is trained to indicate a hit by sitting and, sure enough, after a little searching, he smells something. >> look at that. >> afterwards, the handler, janet duly breaks the word to the family. >> there is possibly some odor. >> janet explains it likely wasn't drugs themselves but where the drugs used to be like if the son's friend kept his jacket or bag in that location. >> i think i was really just hoping there wasn't going to be anything. it was worth it? yeah. because now we know. >> judge jeanine: ann willis is the ceo of dogs finding drugs. she is here with zuko. and hello, zuko. he turned when i called his name. ann, who are your typical clients. >> our typical clients are parents whose children who have been heavily involved in drugs. it's not the mom who just has a fling of an idea that thinks her kids might be getting into this. these kids have had a known problem. 90% of our clients with the families, they are kids who have been dealing. they have got scales in heir rooms. all sorts of problems. >> judge jeanine: so then can i assume that parents already know the kids have these problems that the trust or there is no trust left in this relationship? >> no. there is no trust whatsoever. the trust is gone. at that point, the kids are lying. they are hiding the drugs. the parents want to trust them but they can't. you know, and so we come in and this is a way of trying to see what's really happening in the home. >> judge jeanine: okay. what if zuko detects drugs? how does it happen? other than what we just saw, what is the reaction of the parents. >> the parents are disappointed. but they are not really a whole lot surprised. >> judge jeanine: what do they usually do? what happens next? >> well, they ask for help. you know, what do i do now? you know, throwing my hands up in despair. i have tried everything. and at that point what we do is we give them all the resources that we can. we get them into programs. we help them with treatment. >> judge jeanine: do you know if any of those parents called the police? >> some of them do. and some of them don't. >> judge jeanine: what is your recommendation? >> our recommendation, first, if anything is detected or found in the home, it's call the police. and to call the authorities. >> judge jeanine: you don't do that yourself? >> no, no. we are performing a sniff, which is not a search. a sniff is we're going in to detect odor and we tell that particular parent there is an odor here. there is an odor there. you need to look, see what's there. >> judge jeanine: all right, larry is a security and crisis consultant and former police officer. larry, what do you say to ann saying, you know, we give -- we leave it up to the parents. do the parents have a legal obligation to call the police. >> yeah, it's really two fold here. the parents who have been actively involved with the kid their entire life that have imposed discipline and have been working with their kids on these problems. those parents that bring the dog in are going to be more successful with some type of consequence. the 90% that she is talking about, where the families are bringing somebody in, and it's just bringing it in because they can't deal with it on their own and they want to find the drugs but they don't know how to deal with it, it's really not doing any good. >> judge jeanine: all right. isn't the truth, guys, that if there is drug use, then ultimately society ends up, you know, with the problem and, do you think that there should be a law that mandates that maybe you call the police or that the parents call the police? >> i think it's very important. i think once we get to the point where we have a repeat time that we are going into the house with drug-sniffing dogs, i think it's important that now we are stepping over the boundary of maybe we should be reporting. this maybe that's something that society as a whole we need to look at to report this. >> judge jeanine: are there times when you would consider calling the police yourself? >> absolutely. we had a case just last week where our local police were called. they couldn't come out. the police are very overtaxed. they don't have a lot of dogs. they could not come out. we go out there. we find scales. they have got cocaine on it. and this gentleman is like i knew it. you know, the mattress was split open. this is where it was being hidden. yes, that fellow calls the police. i mean, he wants the help from the police. >> judge jeanine: so you have repeat clients. so then you are going back to people? >> we do have a client, for example, that we're going back every month until june. until the child goes off to college. just to make sure that the distribution problem stops. the marijuana usage stops. >> judge jeanine: all right. larry, right now, we're going to be putting zuko to the test. so stay with us. >> judge jeanine: we're back, time to see if zuku can do his thing. is he in with his trainer janet. interesting how he sat here a minute ago. now is he fired up. he knows he is hunting, it looks like. all right. what a beautiful dog. all right. oh my goodness, all right. he sat, he sat right where we left. it. boy. he found it. >> he found it. he sits and he stares right at the source of the odor. >> judge jeanine: oh my goodness, all right. you can grab it. all right. what kind of training does zuko have? i don't mean to turn my back? what kind of training does he have. >> he has the same training as your regular police dog for narcotics detection. >> judge jeanine: i have poodles that don't do anything like this. he is beautiful. all right. and so he could be a sniffer dog for law enforcement,. >> correct. >> judge jeanine: what kind of reward does he goat for finding. this normally he gets a bavment i didn't want to wreck the set. he loves his toy. a ball is his favorite reward. >> judge jeanine: we should give it to him because did he a great job. your web site says that these dogs can also detect weapons and bomb-making equipment. >> not this particular dog. we have dogs that can do that you don't want to cross-train dogs. >> judge jeanine: i'm going to go to larry. in that case we definitely call the police. >> when we're talking about drugs it's more discretionary thing for parents to deal with in their house. once we start getting to weapons or bombs or something of that, that really elevates the level of concern that we have of there could be potentially some mass injury. >> judge jeanine: obviously. the consequences are great. but, now, janet, with -- would this dog stay with you? does he live with you? >> yes, he lives with me. he is my dog. >> judge jeanine: all right. he is available for hire. now it's $200 an hour or something like that. what about poor people who can't afford $200 an hour. >> we don't turn them down. pro bono work. you have to help people, no matter what. drugs are so rampant. the children, their lives can be ruined. and we. i don't have the heart. >> judge jeanine: people say i don't have $200. i need to know. you can help me out? that's good to hear. justice shouldn't be determined on the basis of somebody's ability to pay. >> there may be communities not close to them. things people can do on their own. educate through the police department. call the police department and say hey, we want some help. what should would he be looking for. what are some of the signs or places that my kid might hide this. >> judge jeanine: understand sniff for bomb making equipment as well. very important are in this day and age. zuko thank you for being on the show today. he looks at me. very good looking. i have two beautiful dogs who would love to meet you. want to thank you, janet, for the important work that you do and you as well. thank you, larry for being here. tough moral question for parents who are faced with the dilemma of whether or not they should find out if their kids are using drugs, the privacy and trust issue. and then if they get the positive answer, the yes answer, what do they do? 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