by a handful of wealthy people. i will be controlled by the working people. >> harris: tony katz, david burstein back. tony, our conservative on the panel, i come to you. is joe biden in trouble? >> joe biden is in trouble but joe biden's lack of being able to fund raise comes from the fact that joe biden can't string for sentences together. every debate has been an unmitigated failure. i think matthew continetti said after four sentences, joe biden falls apart and it's true. those who thought joe biden was going to be this great moderate savior and realize we can't trust this guy on a debate stage where he will fall apart into a puddle of goo and trump will scoop him up and throw him in the trash. >> joe biden is having struggles but he maintains his -- >> harris: do you think what tony is saying is true? there was criticism after the first debate by david axelrod. said he wasn't quite where he remembered he was six years prior. >> he's not been a strong