>> marie: president trump reportedly thinking of skipping the 2011 general election deba debate. he doesn't trust the nonprofit group that puts on the debate and is apprehensive of who it might pick to moderate them. hillary clinton got up all pump after each debate and then candidate trump repeatedly complained that they put them at a disadvantage in various ways. the microphone indeed had a malfunction during that debate. both of us have worked for presidents on campaigns that involved debate prep. showed the president go to this debate? >> ari: he should go to the debate. the bush campaign actually looked at doing this in 2000. we actually deliberated about not going as part of the national commission, and we got hammered. we actually backed off of it because we cared with the press