knew personally, and watching them taken down freshly personally, he seeing it again >> melissa: we said earlier, you really feel like you can't trust anyone's version of event events. i know every open hearing turns into a circus, but we have to hear it from the horse's mouth. whether you're on the right or left, i feel like nobody is able to look at this in an unbiased fashion. the idea of bringing over this whistleblower is out into the public, you don't want -- the traditional term of the word whistleblower, you hide their identity. but it doesn't seem like this is the traditional type of whistleblower. >> harris: i was just reading some details about the law. kennedy, you and i have had a lot of conversations about how it reads. the attorney for the whistleblowers, he says they deserve protection from firing and retaliation. which is kind of different from what we are all talking about. if he or she makes the choice to