extremely useful if you want to lay things out clearly. brian: lastly you sound like you have the same issues that everybody has. >> of course. >> i think that also helps tell the jordan peterson story. i am trying to relay what i learned but i am still with the same stuff for. >> while it's important for people to know people who are successful let's say are not the people who are fortunate enough to have no problems. no one is in the category of fortunate enough to have no problems for people like that do not exist. everybody deals with aging and death and severe illness. >> you deal with that at the same time? >> yes and my daughter to all of us at the same time. it is the case for everyone. now you meet people now and then and i met lots of people in my clinical practice who have so many things going wrong at the same time it's just an unutterable catastrophe. the fact there are people like that and there are people who are clearly clearly expressing higher levels of misfortune does