but they are worried they won't be able to transact with swift which is the society of western interbank of financial transactions. they'll be kicked off of it. but i'd like to bring this to germany. germany was the one who was holding back much of the united states' push for tougher sanctions, and, you know, they've got nerve. of if anybody rained down destruction on ukraine during world war ii, it was germany. finally you had the germans coming through today and yesterday saying, okay, we will join with swift. but i would give mario draghi a lot of thumbs up, he was saying, come on, we need to exert pain. it's pretty shameful if people across the world don't want to pay a little more per gallon on oil because they don't want to feel it in their own pocketbooks. howard: yeah. ben, conservative new york times columnist fred stevens posed this question, who are we with our long history of invasions