witnesses. they said what they wanted to say. but the fact is when you talk about impeachment, this is the death penalty for the president. and the fact that she was removed, it wasn't done professionally, i felt badly for her, doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. so maybe next week with sondland and some of these others we hear firsthand accounts, but at this point we've heard three people with important stories to tell, but i think it's really, really difficult at this point to think you swayed hearts and minds in those purple-red districts where you need to if to get to the point of impeachment. howard: i have a theory about the lacking of pizazz. i don't think that something as serious as impeachment has to be a scintillating tv show. this is the third round. we found out most of what they had to say. then in the second round they put out the transcripts, the democrats did, and we saw their actual words, and now they do it again for the tv cameras.