attkisson, host of full measure, and reese juarez, former correspondent for the pbs "newshour". so mulvaney says there was a connection between military aid to ukraine, between investigating 016 including -- 2016 including a dnc server. does it wash for mulvaney to turn around and blame it on the press? >> i think this was an example of one of the tried and true elements of politics in media when you accidentally say the true thing. he read the soft part loud -- [laughter] in front of the media. i think that one thing we do need to make clear here is that historically we actually do make sorts of demands and conditions when it comes to the aid we send to other nations. we do whether it's the grant-making process, when it's gone through the congressional process and others. but the real core of this question is about the president doing that connected to his own political domestic experience here and wanting to get manager