listening to defense attorney little more closely, following the things he's talk about a little more closely or should our attention would be turned on whatever the president did on the phone and whatever other collusion or corruption things involved the president and not what his so-called defense attorney wants him to do. >> what about giuliani's point, the media, he made the point on television are protecting joe biden, that, you know, they are not aggressively investigating biden because they like him, he's a democrat, whatever. >> politico looked into that whole situation and new york times did pretty aggressively as well, i would like to hear a more drum beat of criticism from the press about the evasiveness of joe biden not answering any questions on any of this, that at some point can't last. howie: he hasn't done any interviews. he's been on the trail and talk today reporters. >> but if it were the republican in the bunker on this, there would be lots of loud screaming about quick point, it is true that the ukrainians did, in fact, meddle in the 2016 on