if this were not someone going through official chance but going through let's say, i don't know "the new york times" to leak, they would be jealously guarding his identity and against exactly what they did. howie: times editor try -- tried to preempt and whether the president abused power and tried to cover it up. he has no firsthand knowledge -- >> weird thing. howie: that's why i point it out. disturbed by ukraine call and locked down records in special classified area. if this is boomerang, if this is weapon against the president, it's presidential aides. >> if you recall there were actually news reports about previous conversations that president trump has had with