to those who are anti-nuclear power, the power plants, you know, control system, can be hardened against emp, easily, if would be easy if smart people were in charge to follow the recommendations of the emp commission. they could be islands of survivability that could bring back the big grid. and one of my colleagues, ambassador henry cooper, involved in a project to do that with a particular nuclear reactor project. in cooperation with duke energy. what you said before about there being -- there is progress made, less at federal level but more at state and local levels. i think what you and i have been doing, to raise consciousness about emp has