will slow down a trait of growth but does not impoverish you and get rid of democracy that nationalizing the means of production will. mark: these true socialist projects, first of all there is no pure socialism. it's impossible, isn't it? >> when you look around the world pure capitalism or pure socialism does not exist anywhere but even in our great capitalist countries government regulations that the private property market in some nationalized industries for state provision and same on the socialist . mark: let me ask you, the aggressive pursuit of socialism is an aggressive pursuit of a police state and the aggressive pursuit of capitalism is the progressive pursuit, ultimately, of increased liberty, isn't that a big difference? >> absolutely. don't get me wrong but i'm in favor of pushing down the far