ask them if they had familiarity with guns. that would give you an idea whether they were gun owners. >> that could be argued that way. some of them, there was evidence they were not gun owners. they had experience shooting maybe with friends and family members. but to your point a moment ago. we learned that once the jury, the 18 people were there. we heard about the msnbc situation where they were followed in their jury van. what the people don't know in this country is prior to that. a week before, we learned that joe citizen, whoever that may have been was at the location where these jurors met with the van and was taking video of these jurors. and as you can understand, judge schroeder was beyond --
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