hours that go by are precious in this kind of context. we can't afford it lose any more time. >> jesse: biden hesitate stated and now people are dying shoulde started in earlier. assault rifles. apgs, the west has stockpiles of these kind of things. they have got them in germany. we have them in poland. we have them in romania. anything counts at this point. i mean, not only that don't you think we could be doing something in terms of cyber that maybe we don't have our fingerprints in on it. do you think the president of the united states is demanding options for these types of covert and overt strategies. >> well, i think he should be pressing hard to make sure the ukrainians get whatever we can give them in this -- the vein that you are talking about any of those kind of munitions or capabilities. look, frankly, people are worried about escalation. but we can't be spooked at our