fund managers and authors of best selling books off the hook. >> sean: i'm glad to see he has not deviated from his theme, class warfare. john boehner is not buying this. he held his own press conference today. >> most americans would say that a balanced approach is a simple one. the administration s its debt limb me increase and the american people get spending cuts and reforms. adding tax increases to the equation doesn't balance anything. the american people understand that tax hikes destroy jobs. the last thing we should be doing right now, at a time of 9.2% unemployment, is enacting more government policies that will destroy jobs. >> sean: since the white house and democrats are insisting on more than one trillion in tax increases or revenue generating as they like to call them, negotiations between the white house and party leaders continued today. how long will it go on? that's anybodies guess. the only thing we know is what an insraoebs all -- what an inconvenience this is for the man in charge. >> the president: i would rather be talking about stuff that everybody welcomes, like new programs or the nfl season getting resolved. unfortunately, this is what is on our plate. >> sean: joining me with , the author of the "new york times" best seller "revolt." dick morris is back with us. this is make or break for republicans as far as i'm concerned. great news that boehner, mcconnell, republicans, canter said no taxes period not going to happen and they walk add way will they whole the line? >> i hope they will. all revenue-raising measures are not tax increases. i have an article on my website right now, shrink the government by raising revenue. the united states owns 650 million acres of land in the u.s.. that is almost a third of the land area of america. the bureau of land management has designated 3.3 million acres that can be sold to private enterprise, probably more. you generate revenue from that it helps balance the budget and you are shrinking the size of the federal government. >> sean: i dut that is on the president's agenda. >> what i'm saying is when -- when the democrats say we want additional revenues that could provide a huge portion. >> sean: 800 billion to a trillion that's what they are asking. >> 2 1/2 will be about 400. the other thing, i don't know how you feel about this. i think when somebody sues somebody in a court in the united states -- >> sean: loser pays. >> loser pays. and they pay the full cost of the litigation they've incurred, made the public bear. i don't mean just the attorney's fees, the judge's salaries, courtroom the whole bit. we subsidize people by fees that are artificially low. i consider that part of big government. final you have oil leases. if we examine end today the number of over shore lease -- if we extended the number of offshore leases it would help balance the budget. when clinton and gingrich worked out their deal, sale of spectrum, radio and cell phones back then was an important part of that revenue. you can shrink government and increase revenues at the same time. >> sean: you are bringing up creative, out of the box ideas at a time when the nation is going bankrupt this is not what they are discussing this is the problem. the president wants to increase taxes by a trillion dollars. you say he's not going to get it. it is not relevant, because that's what he wants. the president wants to gut defense at a time we have three wars going on. he wants to avoid structurally re any entitlement program. he won't give up on obamacare. -- the imaginary savings are based on phony accounting. ridiculous rosey projections flash flood the interest rates go up we lose all the -- projects if the from rates go up we lose all the -- >> he's pointing at a corporate jet while picking the guy's pocket taking out the mortgage interest deduction. what he's proposing to do is gut the mortgage interest deduction and charitable deductions on the middle class. >> sean: and stimulus provided help for people to buy corporate jets, so funny. here's the important question for you. politically, i think republicans only have one option. this is why they were elected in 2010. one, to balance the budget. to be fiscally responsible and not raise taxes. if they break. if obama somehow bamboozles them into a bad deal like the 2011 deal, i think it is political suicide for republicans. >> i agree with you completely. any republican that votes for anything less than a dollar for dollar reduction in spending for the debt limit with no increases in taxes. some of the revenue ideas i talked about are cool, no increase in tax. anyone who doesn't vote for that deserves a primary fight. i believe the tea party will give them a primary fight. they may lose those is why they were elected this is what it is all about. and they have got to hold firm. when you think about it, it is a wonderful moment that we could cut spending by 2 1/2 trillion dollars. >> sean: i also think politically, it is an opportunity. i think barack obama, really thought he was going to roll over the republicans. create the image that -- far from reality that he's fiscally responsible that tax increases would go into effect if he got 'em. and spendinging would be accounting gimmicks that wouldn't matter. >> he pulled it off, he fooled boehner. now the republicans in the house are saying you fooled me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. >> sean: where are you now with the 2012 race? michelle bachmann is surging again in iowa. very well in new hampshire. romney still the front-runner. nobody else seems to be breaking out of the pack at this moment. still early. where are you? >> i think, obviously the final at this point would be bachmann against romney. that would be the establishment against the street, tea party types. but i do believe that you cannot count out herman cain. when obama does his class warfare stuff like he just did on tv, a lot of people say, this african-american who came from nothing, and put together a vast wonderful business career, and opposes class warfare, that's the model we should be following. i think cain has a shot to make it. i don't think pawlenty does. i'm not that optimistic about rick perry. at some point fish or cut bait. i do believe at the moment the eventual nominee will probably be either romney, bachmann or cain. >> sean: we have a guy by the name of marco rubio joining us. whoever wins the nomination -- >> should choose him for vice president, no question. >> sean: no question? >> no question this is an arranged marriage. of the bride is chosen, the groom to be named later. we need to carry the latino vote. we need to carry florida. marco rubio is a superstar. >> sean: his life story is one of the most compelling. and he's a rock solid conservative. and is able to articulate the conservative message as well as anybody in the arena. >> i'm a marco rubio fan. a groupy. >> sean: he may be mad at you. he will join us when we come back. he'll respond to the left's debt ceiling scare tactics. could an economic doomsday be imminent or is this smoke and mirrors? >> palinmania is back. new indication she may throw her hat into the race. the latest on that story, much more straight ah i ate breakfast and got heartburn, third day this week. so i took my heartburn pill and some antacids. we're having mexican tonight, so another pill then? unless we eat later, then pill later? if i get a snack now, pill now? skip the snack, pill later... late dinner, pill now? aghh i've got heartburn in my head. 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[ laughing ] >> yeah. what is wrong with the job i have now? >> sean: for the record, i said it first. it was interesting to watch the tax cheat tim the guyer go there is no credible argument, no -- no responsibility leader would say the united states should not meets its bills or obligations. there was a guy back a couple years ago that was then senator by the name of barack obama, that said it would be irresponsible to raise the debt limit, not live within our means and pass the burden on to our kids and grandkids and voted against raising the debt ceiling. was he talking about president obama or the current members of congress? >> well, you are right. when the president was sent for he didn't vote to raise the debt limit. we need to understand the problem. at its core, the problem is we have a federal government that spends 1 1/2 trillion more than it takes in. it borrows 40 cents out of every dollar it spends. that lead to the debt crisis. we spend too much money and we don't take enough money in. how do you feel with the first part? that's where you need a spending cap. spending reduction and balanced budget amount. not taking enough money in? that's where the president comes in and says we need to raise taxes. the rest of us say we need to grow our economy. you can't do that if you are raising taxes. these taxes that the president wants to raise, not only do they do not solve the problem. all this class warfare, the jets, oil companies and hedge fund managers doesn't add up enough to put a dent in the debt. it will kill job creation. you want to know why the government doesn't generate enough to pay expenses? too many people are unemployed, and who are employed and not making as much as they once made. we need jobs in america. you are not going to get them as long as the president has this tax obsession. >> sean: your quote was we don't need new taxes, we need new taxpayers. the president said we would face a catastrophe, unemployment would go to 9% if we didn't pass the stimulus plan, his words. now the president is saying we need a debt deal within 10 days this is the fourth time they've set this artificial limit. is the president misleading the american people? what happens august 2nd, if there is no deal? >> there's a dispute. there's revenue still coming in. they have to prioritize which bills to pay. they are being stubborn this is not a surprise. this didn't sneak up on us. we've known about this since the day i've got to washington. they deliberately let this go along hopinñ+v;ñ to get to a lat minute situation where they can force us into a take it or leave it proposition like they tried to do earlier in the year with the stimulus package in february. reality is, none of these policy prescriptions the president has written has worked. every aspect of life in america today is worse than i was when he took over. unemployment higher. interest rates. the only thing that has gone down in america over the last two years is the value of your home. this president has mismanaged this economy. he has been incompetent in his management of this economy. to add to that he's offering tax increases that are going to kill any chance we have of growing our economy and getting people back to work. >> sean: i like the idea that is being pushed in congress, if it is done right, cut cap and balance. when they say cut, now, not five years from now, not 12 years from now. no new taxes got to be part of that, none, zero, zip, we are overtaxed already. when they say cap, i want a real cap on what they spend in washington. third, i think the country right now is ready. state houses across the country, i think we can get the balanced budget amendment to the constitution. do you support it? is that what you need -- would you need all three to go along with raising the debt ceiling? >> i think we need more than those three. we need to cut spending now beginning this year and moving forward, real cuts things that solve the problem. number two, cap future growths in spending. you can have a government growing faster than your economy. balanced budget amendment. tax reform not increases. tax reforms means lowering the rate simplifying the rate encouraging people to invest in the american economy. we need to do something about regulations. regulations are killing job creators. if you talk to people who start businesses one of the things you hear over and over again, these regulations are making it impossible to start businesses and hire people in america. >> sean: i know you are a freshman senator, i know you hate this question, i've gotta ask you, because i am asked this often myself, a lot of people say whoever gets the republican nomination, your name comes up again and again and again as the first choice of people to be the vice presidential selection. you will be at the top of that list, whether you like it or not. i gotta ask you, if that moment ever came, would you give it deep consideration? >> you know, sean first i'm honored people would think about me in that way. i really believe especially right now i've got to be focused on-the-job i have as senator for florida. we need more voices committed to this cause. if i start talking about anything else, it makes it more problematic. i'm not going to be the vice presidential nominee for the republicans. but i take that as a compliment to you and dick morris and everybody else who says that. >> sean: there's wiggle room there. i know i'm in the going to get any further, i'm going to say thank you for being on the program. >> thanks sean. >> sean: angry the republicans still refuse to increase taxes. left is resorting to name calling. even likening the gop to terrorist organizations. more on these vicious, verbal attacks by the left, next. [ grunts ] [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tigua [ grunts ] >> sean: as conservatives syndicated columnist p.a.t. buchanan points the gop has become a target of good old fashioned name calling from liberals because they are standing their ground. listen to what editor-in-chief tina brown calls republicans: >> what was the answer to my question about who the hostage take really? >> i think there's a suicide moment in this. >> sean: the grand: >> sean: fanatics, political cult, suicide bombers, terrorist organization. has the left taken its scare tactics too far? joining me with reaction, steve i'm going to refer to liberals as hezbollah, terrorist organizations, suicide bombers and cult -- >> not your style. >> sean: forget about not my style. >> if you don't like it why would you do it. i don't like it either. >> sean: all right. you don't like it either. if the left keeps doing it. the left keeps attacking viciously, sarah palin, michelle bachmann. here's the problem, you say it, a couple other democrats say it. it goes in passing. it didn't get noticed and keeps happening. if the a conservative says it they get fired their advertisers get targeted. liberals can say anything. but free speech doesn't exist for conservatives in the media any more that's the problem. >> david brooks said it, he didn't get fired. he's a rhino now. >> sean: david brooks has never been a conservative. >> i'm going to say what i really feel about this mate. i think republicans are being irresponsible now. i think using analogys like hezbollah or terrorists or suicide -- suicide bombers or hitler or anything like that, that doesn't do anybody any good. >> sean: you know what is irresponsible? bankrupting the country. you know what is irresponsible? people paying 50% of their wages in income and getting beaten over the head called selfish and greedy. half the country didn't pay taxes. 1 in 7 americans, thanks to the poverty programs of obama and democrats, need food stamps to survive. that to me is far worse. >> absolutely. what really department stkraeuts how the left is, -- talking how our base has shrunken. back that 2006 and 2008, when democrats were saying we were a white southern male party. then we started with scott brown and christie, how we've got hayley, scott and west. if democrats think that is shrinking that is fantastic for us and we'll keep trucking. >> sean: from purely, a political standpoint if the president and his party think class warfare is going to get them over the finish line while obama accumulates five trillion in debt. while unemployment is at 9.2%. while 17% of the population is not working, because his policies have failed. if you think that's gonna work, i don't think you do steve. then you're gonna see the destruction of your party, at leave in the short term. why don't they try and create jobs in this country and unleash the entrepreneurial spirit? >> let's be honest about the republicans in congress are walking away from. democrats, barack obama is willing to do 3.2 trillion in cuts. >> sean: no he's not. >> yes he is. [ talking over each other ] >> one fourth of all the deficit reduction that he's looking for from all reports is from taxes. you know what else is silly about this -- moody's and s&p's downgrade our debt, willing to let the stock market lose, [ talking over each other ] >> sean: this is nones sense -- this is nonsense. 50% of americans pay no federal income tax, half. [ talking over each other ] >> doug, when i didn't -- >> sean: hong on a second. i drove $200 and -- hang on a second. i drove $200 and $300 cars for years, i waited tables, i tended bar, i was banging nails, painting houses. i was glad rich people hired me. rich people went out to dinner. if rich people don't bit yachts, planes, all the demonization of private planes. if rich people don't go on expensive vacations, guess who is going to suffer? all the people the democrats seem to care the most about. they are killing the opportunity for people to succeed. >> absolutely. like any good north carolina boy like i am my first job was in a barbecue restaurant. i'll never forget getting that first paycheck and seeing how much of my money was taken before i had a chance to get it. but i thank god i had great people who hired me and employed me. we need more people to do that to drive our economy. that's what marco rubio was just talking about. compare it to divisive rhetoric we saw from alan grayson, overheated rhetoric is like an overheated radiator, you are just blowing steam and you are not accomplishing anything. >> sean: i don't think liberals will be happy until government gets nine cents out of every dollar, small business job creators, 90 cents out of the dollar, give it to government. >> i'm not happy that hedge fund managers pay 15% and i pay 34. >> sean: i pay more than both of you put together is that fair steve? >> you are at the top level. 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>> sean: well over 54, 55%. >> interesting, okay. obama is clearly very vulnerable, because of the economy. i would take issue with some of the other stuff in terms of a stronger national security. he is almost indistinguishable. i think you should be happy with his foreign policy sean, because -- >> sean: he's made a few adjustments. >> i think sarah palin would be a strong candidate. i've always said that. i think she has always been underestimated. i wouldn't read an article -- he's a true journalist. somebody who i have the most respect for. >> sean: fair enough. >> i think she will get a hard time from media. >> sean: it will be vicious on steroids. kate, do you agree with me? obama's incompetence is going to be a major part of this election? the philosophical differences, i think america wants to go on a new path, i think he'll lose? >> of course. the unemployment numbers will be number one that will be what he's judged on. his overall incompetence with the economy. i think kirsten is right, palin will be a force to contend with. she does have high negatives within the republican party. the next couple of months we'll be seeing whether she can pull those down. she has always surprised everyone. when you look back to the mccain campaign the one time that the campaign took off was when she was announced to be the vice presidential candidate. only when the economy tanked his number -- >> sean: good point, right. we gotta run. kirsten, last word, go ahead. >> i think like i said i think she will be a formidable candidate. i do not think she will beat obama. but she would be a tough candidate. >> sean: obama has failed the country and put us on a track to disaster. >> just about any republican is going to beat obama if these numbers stay the same. >> sean: are you in new york tonight? 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[ gnome ] it's go time. >> sean: tonight on our great american panel, fox news contributor, bob beckel is back. he a syndicated op-ed columnist writes a column with beckel cal thomas is here. she a former assistant district attorney in brooklyn and contestant on the apprentice. masha saeidi azcuy is back. thanks for being here. i want you to forget politics for a minute. debt negotiations. president insisting on tax increases. continuing class warfare. republicans made a no new tax pledge promise. it is not going to happen if it does, is this a foundation >> was there a question? let's put think way the president put forward and john boehner who i give a lot of credit to, tried to put together a formidable four trillion dollar proposal. boehner went back to his the tea party. who call themselves patriots. i think they are anarchists for trying to stop this. >> sean: stop with the name calling. >> the idea of refusing to entertain the notion of some revenues when we are willing to put on the table that has always been sacrosanct our party. seems the republicans could have the guts to put that on the take. >> sean: i have insight too. it was the president and boehner, had a deal. and it was the president who backed to his left winged cuked base and they rejected it because they won't touch any of these and insisting on tax increases. >> if you go back to the george hw administration. that president bush made what he thought was a deal with house speaker jim wright. wright said you raise taxes we'll cut the spending. taxes got raised, and the spending never got cut. president obama is not stupid. he wants to replay that tape so that the republicans will agree to a tax increase. the democrats aren't going to cut any substantial amount of spending. there's something else. i got a column coming tomorrow called "millionaires and billionaires." where the is affirmation of people who are successful in this country? anybody who plays by the rules works hard, gets married and stays married now they evil and must be tacked and regulated to death that is not the real -- not the real america i know. >> sean: half of america doesn't pay federal taxes. 1 in 7 americans are on food stamps. top 10% pay 75%, half their income. then they get a baseball bat from bob's friends telling them they are selfish, evil monsters. how did that happen? selfish politicians i think ought to be excoriated. >> i agree with you sean. you have to look at fact that we have a 9.2% unemployment rate. look at small businesses they are not hiring because of regulations, also taxes. you ask yourself, is this a time to sign a deal raising taxes one trillion in exchange for spending cuts? even if they don't go into effect until 201013. >> i can't let you get away with that -- >> chamber of commerce survey 6 out of 10 american businesses -- >> sean: she is making sense, let her go. >> i can't believe i'm letting her go. [ talking over each other ] >> 6 out of 10 small businesses are not hiring. [ talking over each other ] >> the president has the courage to do this. if they don't pass an increase to the debt ceiling -- [ unintelligible ] [ talking over each other ] >> he's the greatest economic president since roosevelt. >> let me quote ronald reagan -- we have not a debt not because the american people are taxed too little. but because their government spends too much. you may now go to a commercial. >> sean: we'll take a break. we'll calm down. breathe in through the nose and out through the how. and out through the how. more motorcycles, boats, even rv's. nobody knows where he got his love for racing. all we know is, it started early. casey mears, driver of the number thirteen geico toyota camry. geico, saving people money on more than just car insurance. . >> sean: we continue. iowa caucuses. first we go the straw poll coming out in august. i'm gonna be there, i new are going to be there too beckel. pawlenty, bachmann, bachmann up in two major polls leading in iowa, second in new hampshire. here's pawlenty on "meet the press." >> i like congresswoman bachmann, i've campaigned for her and i respect her. but her record of accomplish in congress is nonexistence. we are not looking for folks who just have speech capabilities. we are looking for people who can lead a large enterprise in a public setting and drive it to conclusion. i've done that, she hasn't. >> sean: last time i interviewed him he was taking on romney many he seems to be coming out of the gate fighting harder first. good strategy, bad? >> i think it is good. i personally like a fighter. i think he has to go bachmann she is a gifted speaker strong fundraiser, they love her in iowa. if he wants any chance he's got to attack her now. in all fairness, to mr. pawlenty, miss bachmann doesn't have the executive experience that comes from being a two-term governor if you look at her legislative record, she hasn't passed any of the bills she has sponsored have not become law. only two have passed the congress. >> sean: very few congressmen and senators do pass legislation. >> most of her time was undemocratic leadership. pawlenty has to come up with -- with something, he's trailing in the polls. if he doesn't do well in iowa and running behind in new hampshire, as basketball says, correctly, he's finished. >> sean: -- >> having run in iowa, if you are from minnesota you have to do well in iowa you have to win. pawlenty's game begins and ends in iowa if he comes in less than second in that straw poll, i think his money dries up. you are talking about from small iowa markets to a boston market to do tv. i think pawlenty has to attack and drive her numbers down. it is tough to attack a woman. she articulate in a lot of this stuff. pawlenty is not a tiger. >> sean: now that you've calmed down, who do you most fear as a big lib to run against the anointed one with his failed policies? >> run against the appoint anyoned one with his failed poll -- the anointed one with his failed policies? i would say any of the three governor candidates i would worry about huntsman in a general election. romney is overrated. pawlenty if he can get through, i don't think he can. i would love to have bachmann win the republican nomination because we would roll over her. >> sean: i think you're nuts. >> you better calm down. if you think bachmann is going to be president -- >> sean: more than anything else unlike hope, change, teleprompter reading and platitudes and bumper stickers this election is going to be about obama's failed record. >> i don't think there's any question about that. >> sean: bachmann could win buy a significant margin. >> i think rick per very a potentially strong candidate. -- rick perry is a potential strong candidate, thinking about it seriously many a lot of people moving to texas, no income tax. >> sean: they created jobs while the country was losing. >> let's remember, late people tend to not do well. fred thompson was an example. getting in at that stage of the game, it is a short time between now -- >> sean: this is a short time. and you need infrastructure. and some of the best consultants and ground game. what do you think? >> i think president obama is vulnerable because of the economy, because of the jobs. >> sean: look at bob. >> president obama is vulnerable bob. >> let me get a tape recorder so i can replay it in my mind. now let's start talking about reverand wright. >> that's a good thing. >> sean: hear what he said last week? >> i don't know but i'm sure we are going to hear. i got so tired hearing about reverend wright. who was the other one? >> sean: you're a genius. finish your comments. >> i think president obama has a lot of weaknesses. what people care about is jobs, the price of gas. we passed the stimulus, it didn't work. look where we are now. >> sean: he's bankrupted the country. >> he bankrupted the country. >> if he's going to knock people who fly on private planes, get him off air force one which we are paying for. >> sean: boehner gave back pelosi's jet we were paying