see what i did there? check out the debate on this intriguing program that features five panelists, one really, really hot guy, and it's on at 5:00 p.m., but i can't remember the name. rules are rules. this guy is wrecking his life right now for no real reason and it's absolute stubbornness based on nothing. >> jesse? >> geraldo, you're mad at this guy. >> he's not just hurting himself. >> he's -- >> you're being played. you're being played. >> you're being stubborn. >> let me explain. >> you're being block headed. >> you're being manipulated to disagree with somebody. this is an artificial division and we shouldn't play into this. this is what the mandate did. >> it's weird watching yourself on tv while you're on tv. don lemon does that to double his viewership. anyway, i fear that geraldo missed my point.