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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute ---www.ncicap.org--- >> three, two, one, beck! glenn: welcome to the glenn beck program. tonight, mark my words, massive healthcare is coming our way and it's going to be passed in the cover of darkness and nobody is going to read it. i'll explain what is going on, and why the government is getting away with it. then, something else you're not going to see on television tonight. goldman sachs and the government. oh, they're just more than just friends. oh, yes, they're so much more. we'll show you the tangled web that neither of them wants you to see, and the unsustainable debt, and the implications. if you believe this country is great, but the government's revolution is coming at a thousand little paper cuts, grab your scissors and come follow me! well, hello, america. i had to take off my coat, because my wife is saying watch your blood pressure, watch your blood pressure. oh, this show is going to do it. america has the best healthcare system in the world. it does. oh, is it perfect? no, no. i don't see people dying in the streets anywhere, but it is still the best. yet we're about to throw all of it away in favor of government-run healthcare. here's the one thing tonight. the democrats' latest healthcare plan has nothing to do with health or caring -- oh, i care so much. it has everything to do with power and control. oh, but glenn, there are like 14 quadrillion people without healthcare, and besides, this is free. hang on just a bit. oh, yeah, it's free. oh, yeah. oh, that's not good. since when is 1 trillion dollars over ten years free? but, by the way, that trillion dollars, only 17% of that spending comes in the first five years. 83% of it comes in the second five years, so if you're going to get the sniffles, get them about five years from now. once everything is finally kicked in, the plan will cost more than double. $230 billion every year. that's what they're projecting it is going to cost right now, and i'm sure they're right, because they're always right. oh, this isn't really -- this isn't good. where is the government going to get the money, you know, to pay for this massive free program, because, remember, you know, the president when he was interviewed during the all-star game last night "we're out of money," yeah, yeah. so where are you getting that money? so if you guessed the rich -- ding, ding, ding -- you're the winner. here is a copy of the home game. if you are employed by the rich, and i don't know about you but i have never worked for a poor man, but you might want to start looking for employment with a big fat rich loser, because they will be losers soon. the party that hates being called socialist is proposing to fund government care with a 5.4% surtax on those making over $1 million a year. with gradual taxes starting to come in of incomes of $280,000 a year. that peoples people in new york city at about a 60% income tax. that's great, isn't it? taxing the rich to give poor people free stuff. gosh, that sounds like socialism. i didn't go to harvard or columbia or anything like that, but wait. there is more. now how much would you pay? the huge tax cut or tax hike only funds part of the plan. yeah. the rest of it is coming from, and i'm going to try to say this one with a straight face, from the expected windfall of savings that our government is going to achieve. really? our government, the one that's racked up $11.5 trillion of debt, yeah, they're going to fund a new program on savings. oh, yeah, that's going to be good. seriously, they claim they will be able to beat the evil insurance companies in efficiency, because they don't have to care about profits, you know what i mean, or paying those bloated c.e.o. salaries. they won't have to do that, you know. the only problem is, and you can come over here and get the shot of this. the health insurance profits account for a measly 0.6 -- 0.6% of healthcare costs. ok, so, let's see. 0.6. can you get this or not? 0.6 -- if this is the dollar we would spend right here. for every single dollar, we are going to save this much. that much right there. that's our savings. oh, yeah! and those evil c.e.o.s, man, we're going to get those guys, oh, yeah! they are 0.0005% of the cost, so i think that's about that. what are we are going to do with all the money we're saving? this is how much goes towards that greedy c.e.o.. can you believe that guy? how dare him! clearly, the numbers don't add up. it defies common sense, but i haven't seen common sense in this country in i don't know how long. it's all because this bill isn't about getting little sally muckenfudge medicine for her poor elbow warts or even making every chubby american a bean pole. it is about power and control over you. if this bill passes, you ain't going to be seeing a lot of these anymore. i mean, by the way this was -- we xeroxed this. this an actual dollar bill, because we don't want to break the law. why would that be breaking the law? because i don't have anything to back it up with. oh, no, that shouldn't be illegal. i should be named the treasury secretary! the government is going to control an additional 1/6 of the economy. i'm guessing here, by the way, but i'm guessing that leaves out of the dollar, that leaves this much free. this is controlled by the federal government. you combine with the industries that they have already infiltrated -- namely, the banks and the auto industry, the ones they're trying to infiltrate like the energy industry, you have something left that doesn't even look like america. what are we doing? i don't want to be the e. u. i don't want to be canada. i would move to canada. i would go up to canada with all the hollywood stars who said they were going to move but strangely didn't. that's a different story. america is the place where the people run the show. that's what makes us great. when we're run by the government we're anything but the land of the free. when are we are going to be the home of the brave? besides, if we become like canada, or, you know, the e.u. where will all the canadian citizens come when they need that difficult or elusive medical treatment they can't get in their own crappy country? i'm just saying. let's go to michael cannon, the director of health policy studies at the cato institute. he's with us here. how are you, sir? >> good, glenn. glenn: good to see you. i want to show this chart. bring up the chart, please. show this chart, and this is how simple this is going to be. this is the new schematic of the healthcare plan. where are we? >> this is put together by republican staffers on the hill regarding the house bill. glenn: this is us. i've got a nasty cough. >> the doctor's and healthcare providers are over here. glenn: i have to make it through this maze to see the doctor? >> yes. glenn: ok. there are a couple of things on here that i don't recognize as part of my healthcare. here, this is the office of civil rights. >> you got an office of civil rights, office of minority health, all sorts of offices in here that have to be -- glenn: wait a minute. this is the office of minority -- hang on just a second. are minorties not part of the universal human thing? or do they get different sicknesses? >> this is what happens when government runs the show. you get a different process for everybody. glenn: so we have office of civil rights, office of minority health, which i'm confused by just a little bit, and then you also have the health advisory committee. i think you have -- this is the workforce corporation or something. what the hell is this? the workforce poor. what is that? the health workforce. >> glenn, i have no idea what that is, but this is a 1,000-page bill. they just dropped it. they want to ram it through congress before anyone has any idea what it is going to do. the health choices administration, when the government creates a bureaucracy called the health choices administration, you can guarantee that it's not going to expand the choices that are available to you. it is going to be reducing those choices. glenn: is this a healthy choice? is this like sphroazen meal or this frozen meal? >> this will be the government bureaucracy that decides what kind of health insurance you have to buy. half of the most economical policies will be eliminated by this agency right here. glenn: and the bureau of health information, is this new? >> i think that is new. it's 1,000 pages glenn. i'm just not a speed reader. glenn: fantastic. everyone was watching sotomayor. may i make a suggestion? i have my own chart. now, i know this is a little complex. i'm a deep thinker, but i just want you to look at this chart, ok? it's just an idea, ok. over here, we have me, ok, and then way over here we have the doctor, and in between we have me walking to him. what do you think? >> i think that's fine. i think i would draw a bunch of dollar signs by you, or maybe even the government or employer here and an arrow showing the money going to you, being taken away from them. glenn: wait a minute. here is my employer. he's giving me money, and then i give my money to the doctor when he treats me. >> the problem with your chart is this. this is how much glenn controls right now, or how much consumers control right now. this is how much the government controls of all of our healthcare dollars and this is how much doctors control. we need to take all of this money and give it to glenn and let him choose his health plan. that is not what this chart back here is going to do. glenn: in all seriousness, the problem somebody if you have, with anything we have right now, we have all of these layers in between. when is the last time you went to a doctor, and i don't know if this has happened to anybody else but the doctor has said are you covered or do you have insurance? yeah. ok. why? well, i got a cheaper drug that i could -- nobody cares, because we are so far removed. the employer pays for it. the government pays for it. insurance pays for it. we don't care. we're out of the loop. we just, i don't care, and the doctor, he's got so many lawyers over here suing him, that he's got to run every test, otherwise you'll sue him. >> and as long as 300 million americans don't care about the cost because someone else is paying for their healthcare, we will never get cost control, so the nonsense about all these bure crass siz and how they will find efficiencies in the system is garbage, because we won't get that if the patients aren't on our side. glenn: wait a second. i forgot one thing. this is the majority right administration, and they just stay in that box and they're not connected to me at all. thank you very much. appreciate t >> thanks, glenn. glenn: as the government -- what word should i use -- progresses toward state healthcare, the state model that is working so well, romney care, you know, massachusetts, is showing some severe chinks in the armor. massachusetts has the lowest percentage of uninsured residents, 2.6% compared to 15% nationally. that is because of the three-year-old law that required almost nearly every resident to have insurance, but in the new state budget, an order has come out to save an estimated $130 million. it is eliminating the healthcare for 30,000 legal, not illegal, legal immigrants. hmm. now, we checked on it. it's still possible for the democratic governor duvall patrick to veto the budget to keep those residents insured, you know, it will help him get re-elected but he hasn't proposed anything else as far as we can see. it is interesting to me to see how these oh, so compassionate liberals call me a hate monger for wanting to build a border fence, yet instead of stopping illegal immigrants from coming into our country and sucking us dry of healthcare and everything else, massachusetts is planning to cut off legal immigrants. you know, our entire country was built on immigrants. i don't know what we're doing anymore. apparently universal healthcare isn't so universal in massachusetts, but let's just say for argument's sake we do get universal healthcare. what could we expect? it should be great. i hear michael moore did a movie about it. well, in some parts of canada, the doctor to patient ratio is so bad that there are triewlt actually doctor lotteries. i'm not kidding you. who is sick? who gets to see a doctor this month? meanwhile in the u.k., the official policy says they'll treat anyone regardless of age, doctors admit that a patient's age may be a reason for turning down people for bypass operations and kidney dialysis and routine breast screenings. come to think of it, do we really even need to look outside this country? the science czar, john holdren, wrote a 1977 book wrote a book that called for forced sterilizations and forced abortions, you know, in order to control population growth. he's a czar currently. you may have learned in history class that nazi germany sterilized people, but what you may not know is that they learned that from the eugenics program early 20th century progressives here in the united states. germany's law for the prevention of offspring with hereditary diseases was enacted in july 1933, a law that can be traced almost verbatim to the california sterilization act of 1909, but, you know, even that wasn't new. beginning in 1899, indiana started sterilizing the handicapped, you know, the undesirables. ten other states in this country followed suit under the progressives. it was even upheld in the supreme court in 1927. president obama has often spoken about putting science before ideology, but when we're talking about medical ethics and people deciding who lives and who dies, whose ethics are we useing? i know there are people watching right now, mainly in the basement of their mom's house on blogs saying he's bringing up nazis again! he's doing it again! yeah, you're right. i don't really need to bring up the nazis. i can just look at the words of current supreme court justice ruth bader-ginsburg who said, quote, "frankly i thought at the time roe as in roe v. wade was decided about population growth, in particular in populations that we don't want to have too many of of." gee, ruth, what population don't we want to have too many of? you're right. we don't need to go to the nazis, and progressives, hmm. they've changed an awful lot since the early 20th century. limb: dude that was sick! i've been hangin' up there for, what, like, forty years? and then - wham - here i am smacking the pretty off that windshield of yours. oh, what you're looking for an apology? well, toss another coin in the wishing well, pal. it's not happenin'. limb: hey, what's up, donnie? how you been? anncr: accidents are bad. anncr:but geico's good ding! with onsite windshield replacement. we have ever created. a car that can help awaken its driver if he begins to doze... keep him in his lane if he starts to wander... even stop itself if he becomes distracted. if you want to see the future of the automobile, just look at the new e-class... today. this is the 9th generation e-class. this is mercedes-benz. glenn: you know i want to thank you so much for reading my new book "common sense." it is a case of an out-of-control government. i just found out before i went on the air, it is the number one book out of all categories, all genres, everything. new york times, number one new york times best seller for the past four weeks and number one on "usa today" best seller list. i ask you, pick one up and please give it to somebody. don't let it sit on your shelf. either highlight it, dog here it and keep it with you or give it to somebody else. all right. i told you how obama wants to ram universal healthcare and cap and trade down our throats because it is an emergency and we can't even think about, it but can we stop for a second and look at mounting debt and skyrocketing unemployment? is worse than everyone is telling you, i believe. walt zimmerman is the vice president of united i-cap and mort zucker man, chief man of u.s. news and world report. zimmerman and zuckerman, america's favorite duo. walt, let's start with you. can we look at the debt we have. we just broke through at june more than $1.1 trillion for the first half of the year. can you give me some significance to that? >> well, you know, when you can't afford something but you want it, you go into debt. it's how this country has worked for a long time, at least the last 20 years. it is how the rich american family works. nobody thinks twice about going into debt, and it's a sign of weakness. it's a sign that this country doesn't have the same power it used to have, and it's a big cost to us all, because the government is going to have to borrow money to fund that debt. they are going to crowd the credit markets. interest rates are not going to go back down. that's going to impair -- glenn: when interest rates go up and all of the good loans that are out there reset, what happens? >> well, you have a massive amount of mortgages that still need to be reset. glenn: bigger than what we just reset? >> much, much bigger. glenn: and these are the good ones? >> yes. glenn: they're not subprimes, like it was? >> no, no. and with unemployment showing no sign of easing off, and interest rates higher, and housing prices already 20 to 50% off from the highs, those mortgages, they need to be reset or foreclosures rating to happen. glenn: let me go to unemployment. mort, i read your op ed piece. you're saying much worse than what anybody is saying about unemployment, right? >> yes, i am. i think the numbers that we are getting are just headline numbers, 9.5%, which by the way has settled in the last year plus, which is one of the fastest rates of unemployment we have had, but if you look at the last month when they announced there were 467,000 jobs lost, we're well into a recession and we're still going to lose that number of jobs but that number is much worse n real terms when you look behind the numbers, for example, the government assumed every month there is roughly 150,000 to 185,000 jobs created in industries which are not creating jobs, so if you look at these numbers two months out when they correct them, they jump considerably. what we're looking there is for a continuing trend in growth in unemployment. unemployment is going up. the obama administration said when they proposed their stimulus program, it would stop at 8%. wier we're now at least 9.5% and clearly going to go above 10% and hitting 11%. that is unprecedented in this country. glenn: we hit 11%, what happens to us? >> the thing is, first of all, 9 1/2% is fake unemployment. it doesn't include people who stopped looking, who gave up looking, who are in voluntary part-time because they really need full-time to get it. glenn: i have never bought the i'm going to stop looking for a job. when do you stop looking for a job? >> let's say you accept part-time work. those people are not included in the 9 1/2%. when you include those people, it is 16 1/2%. glenn: show me the charts here of america, and mort, if you will take us around here, show us this chart. we have in oregon, we have 13% unemployment, but the broader definition is 23%? >> yes, right. glenn: that's underemployed, people working part-time that want full-time jobs? >> that's right. glenn: isn't oregon the one with the highest household unemployment, a phrase used to capture underemployment and unemployment. glenn: but i believe they also had the highest rates of hourly wage -- minimum wage. they raised it way above, so they're ahead of the curve, which hits the rest of the country next week. this minimum wage, which they said please don't do minimum wage because we're going into a recession. what's that going to do when they kick in minimum wage? >> it will intensify the desire of companies who are trying to slash costs and doing a pretty good job of it, because they simply can't be competitive in this kind of an economy and still make money, and they're all trying to make money and stay alive. what you have will intensify the opportunities for companies to say we're going to start cutting more people. i think we're looking, as we said, and we said before, into an increased level of unemployment of underemployment and now there are 2r 5 million people who are un'em employed or underemployed, which is unprecedented since the end of world war ii. >> and that is the forecast for further mortgage foreclosures. broccoli and carrots because they're rich in fiber. berries and pomegranates because they're a great source of antioxidants... but with my schedule, getting everything i need from food alone... is almost impossible. that's why i love new fiberchoice plus antioxidants. with the natural fiber and protective antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables, all in a delicious berry-pomegranate flavor. to feel my best... every day. new fiberchoice plus antioxidants. available in the fiber section. at amway global, it's the foundation of our business. because opportunity built nutrilite, the world's... top-selling vitamin, mineral, and supplement brand. and artistry, one of the world's best-selling beauty brands. which makes amway global the online... health and beauty leader. and worldwide, amway has over 8 billion in annual sales. for your opportunity to be part of this success... and to start making more money for yourself, contact an amway global independent business owner... or visit amwayglobal.com. glenn: we have a special fox news alert. bret baier is joining us for that. bret. >> hey, glenn. after five attempts, nasa is trying to get this space shuttle into orbit. liftoff is scheduled for about a half an hour from now. thunderstorms, hydrogen gas leaks have kept the shuttle grounded for weeks. right now we are told the weather is cooperating. if for some reason the trip to the international space station is delayed today, nasa can try again thursday but the mission would have to to be cut short f that doesn't happen, the crew will have to wait until july 26. today's launch is still scheduled for 6:03 p.m. eastern time. all systems, again, appear to be go right now, but sunday's launch, you remember, was scrubbed with just nine minutes to go. the mission of the 7 astronauts of this trip is to bring spare parts and assembly to the space station. we'll have full coverage at top of the hour. glenn: hello, america. just checking the blood pressure again. i figure if i'm going to die of a hurt attack, i should do it soon, because i don't want to get sick because of that whole healthcare thing. there is no hot list tonight because i have to show you another chart that will make your blood pressure go through the roof. goldman sachs just posted higher than expected quarterly earnings of $3.44 billion, up 65%, even though they took over $10 billion in government aid, which, of course, they were finally allowed to pay back last month. no one is protesting the compensation packages that were averaging now about $770,000 for each of their 29,400 employees, with top executives getting millions of dollars. treasury secretary henry paulson, former c.e.o. of goldman sachs, this is how it happened. this is how it all started. he was the former head of goldman sachs, and then, of course, george w. bush, he made him treasury secretary r nothing wrong with that. goldman sachs hire a lot of great people, yeah, yeah. what is the first thing he does? the first thing when we go into this crisis is he lets bear stearns fail, one of the big competitors of goldman sachs. then he says fannie and freddie can't fail. we got to bring them in. fannie says lehman brothers, which is the biggest competitor of goldman sachs, let them fail. ok. so, the former goldman sachs c.e.o. now treasury lets two companies fail, the one company which was one of their competitors and the second one was the biggest competitor. then they decide the very next day after lehman, gee, should we let a.i.g. fail? well they had a big conference and the only one in the room that was a banker trying to help hank paulson out, the former c.e.o. of goldman sachs, in the room with him was a guy named lloyd blankenstein, the chief executive officer in the office of goldman sachs. they decided, yes, you should bail out a.i.g., so a.i.g., they bail out the day after they let their competitors go out, they bail out a.i.g. to the tune of $85 billion. these two geniuses, both from goldman sachs say, yeah, you got to do that for the economy. so, who is the biggest single payout from a.i.g.? what is surprise? on the check, make it out to goldman sachs for $12.9 billion. now, the treasury secretary, again hank paulson, remember, goldman sachs' c.e.o., he decides he needs somebody to head up tarp, you know, somebody to make sure he can figure it out. who do i know, who i do know? there is this guy at goldman sachs, neel kashkari, he decides he will be appointed to oversee tarp. he changes -- one of the first things he does is goldman sachs has to be changed to a bank holding company. why? well, you know, that way they can have access to tarp, fdic money, get money from the fed in the discount window. that way, they can be saved. right. right. so kashkari, after he makes this decision, he's out. i mean, he's still in the system. he's out. he has been replaced now by gary gensler. what a surprise! gary is the former partner at goldman sachs. now, once kashkari has made goldman sachs a bank holding company, they don't have that pesky s.e.c. thing, you know, to look them over. instead, no, no, no, they have a guy named steven friedman. he was the former chairman of goldman sachs. now overseeing them, because steven is at the fed used to be at goldman sachs, but now n.o.w well, steven wasn't actually just used to be at goldman sachs. he actually had an awful lot of stock, even though he was overseeing goldman sachs, and he was on the board of directors. well, that's the conflict of interest. well, you can't do that -- unless timothy geithner comes to the rescue! timothy geithner, please, please, please can we have steven who, is on the board of directors oversee goldman sachs? huh? sure, of course. timothy geithner says absolutely. sure, we can do that. he gives him a temporary one-year waiver of the rule, which, by the way, just, you know, just meant that he could not only hold the shares but also so that he could serve on the board of directors, oh, and also, mr. friedman can also now stay on the board and buy an additional 52,000 shares of goldman sachs. in the meantime, he makes $3 million. now, just so you know, goldman sachs, they have learned their lesson. i mean, look at them, they're profitable now. sure, they took all this money, and they took this money over are here, sure. sure, they took your money. they paid it back, you know, through tarp, but this was their money, from a.i.g. and they have learned their lesson, no more derivatives, no more c.d.o.'s or anything like that, and they won't really do oil speculation -- as much as they were, i'm sure, but they have a new derivative. it's called the green environment. they have just purchased 10% of the chicago climate exchange, and $1 billion of carbon assets. that's fantastic. they're endorsing mandatory limits on carbon emissions, $23 million to buy that 10%. gee, so about half of what we gave them through a.i.g., a billion dollars in carbon assets, such as alternative energy projects and they're lobbying hard for that cap and trade, which is going to be oh, so good for you, the small businessman, oh, and there's two more things here in this web of bubbles. there's -- they've hired a new lobbyist for goldman sachs. he is michael pease. they had to hire him because this guy left, mark patterson. he was at goldman sachs, a lobbyist, and now he has just been moved to the chief of staff for, oh, there he is -- timothy geithner, so we have goldman sachs now, because tim is not really a goldman man, and michael pease, yeah, we found him in barney frank's office. can i ask you a question? 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( car starts ) and life's daily miracles. ♪ who's the best? this guy is. ♪ ( clapping ) ♪ to the point of no return... ♪ ♪ return there for you and your guilty pleasures. ♪ how long... ♪ how long ♪ ewe this is a fox news alert and i'm patti ann browne. the senate office building appears to be in lockdown. according to fox news channel, capitol hill senior producer, the gallery doesn't say anything other than that there is a likely lockdown in the senate office building but meanwhile another fox news channel producer in washington says she is on top of upper senate park where a witness says he was down by his car and heard eight to ten shots. trish turner, again, says a heavy police presence at the carriage entrance. no one leaving through the side door. no departure from the senate on the first floor to the street level across from upper senate park. apparently you can't get near it. apparent lockdown on capitol hill at the senate office building and shots being heard. this has been a fox news alert glenn: america, pray for your country. pray for your country. i spoke to overstock.com's c.e.o.. he is the founder, patrick burn. he says he believes goldman sachs, the conversation we had just a few minutes ago, and the way it is tied to the government now is a criminal organization. take a look. >> if we bailed out the corleone family and turn around two quarters later and they have a record quarter. this is rich bankers bailing out rich bankers on your credit credit card. >> patrick, i think you would agree that wall street owns our government. >> yeah, i do. glenn: go ahead. >> absolutely. economists have a term for it. it is called regulatory capture. society sets up regulators to protect us from certain industries like wall street but often regulators come under the thumb of of the industry and are called captured regulator. wall street has captured the institutions that are supposed to have protected our citizens from wall street. glenn: our government and these gigantic corporations have merged. the framework is if you are not in one of these gigantic corporations, forget about it, jack. >> it is a group who has captured washington, d.c., and they have just prevented -- they manufactured this, not deliberately. they manufactured the loopholes that let this happen and they're doing everything they can to keep those loopholes from being closed. glenn: how come i'm not hearing about this on shows? 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>> no, and i should tell you that there is a network among staff and security officials on the capitol when this type of incident happens. the alert is instantaneous. we heard about it in the media almost immediately. i was able to jog a few blocks down from where the sotomayor hearings continue, and there was a clear sense of alert, awareness to this, with all the security officials around the capitol within seconds after it happened. this whole incident appears to have begun and all but ended at least on location here in under an hour. bret: we are being told by molly hennenberg that it started at union station, according to eye-witnesses there and police chasing what appeared to be a white mercedes and drove through the stones, the meadian, the blocking area, and then came down louisiana just a couple of blocks from where we are here in the d.c. bureau. i mentioned that the confirmation hearing for judge sotomayor is continuing, and we were told by trish turner up on the hill, our capitol hill producer, that chairman leahy, senator patrick leahy from vermont got up and talked to a plain clothesed security official in the room and then continued the hearing, apparently being told everything was ok from the inside there. that matches our reporting, right, carl? carl, are you still there? >> yeah, i'm sorry, bret. the dilemma of cell phones here as we race around trying to accumulate more and more information from the people here, it appears as though one eye-witness has told us that there had been a robbery of some sort at union station and that's where this began. these are all unconfirmed eye-witness and passers-by offering their two cents. you have to be careful with all of this stuff. the police have not said whether or not anyone has been injured, but the situation in terms of arrests or allegations of crimes clearly there has been an incident here. there is a consensus among all standing that there was automatic weapons fire, quite a burst, but it was quick and over in a matter of a second or two before police essentially converged on this white mercedes, and the single occupant, the one person in the car who was driving it. bret: we are looking at videotape we are just feeding in from some of our crews that are scrambled. if we get any word, and you can see an ambulance there, and it appears they were being positioned to perhaps respond to anything. we just don't know, as we said, whether anyone was injured and whether that ambulance was needed. now, we can say that obviously security is extremely tight, has been since 9/11, all around capitol hill, and you see the presence refer r. every place you go. we have done numerous stories about this, even since the holocaust shooting where obviously that security guard was shot just recently, but the security presence, especially when you have the confirmation hearing of a judicial supreme court justice nominee going on at the same time is ever present, carl. >> bret. bret: yeah? go ahead. >> i'm sorry, bret. we're hearing that there is a possibility that the suspect in this may have been shot in the exchange. again, this is unconfirmed, but there are a number of senior capitol hill officials that have now begun to arrive here, and this information, though unconfirmed, has begun to leak out, but it's possible that the driver of this vehicle may have been shot, perhaps even killed in the exchange. bret: ok. we're getting word that the capitol hill police are beginning to start talking around this area. they're blocking it off, as you know, with the yellow tape. the police tape, and this, again, is in lower senate park. this is just beyond -- below the russell senate office building, and that is a couple of blocks from the actual capitol dome. as we know, the confirmation hearing, and i keep on mentioning this, because it continues at this hour in the hart senate office building, which is just one building up, and if we have one of those maps with the buildings eventually, we'll put it up for you, and you can kind of get a perspective of where this shooting is said to have taken place. again, unconfirmed, but we have one witness who says eight to ten shots were heard, being fired, and there is a report about a chase in which capitol capitol police were involved with, and now a senior hill source is saying that capitol police may have been involved in this shooting, and there may, in fact, be one person who was either injured or killed in this shooting. now, we are working. there are early reports t happens like this. we will work to get more details, but again, another shooting here on capitol hill. it appears we're working to get capitol police and once we get word of that, we will continue to get information and bring it to you right here on "special rt.