and ground forces are overwhelming rebels and that is what on the door step of benghazi now. attack on integrated air defense system, and the infrastructure supports it will probable -- probably take a couple days and probably give us control of the air space. no-fly zone, i think is a misgnomer, that gives us control to do what? stop the advance of gaddafi's forces? they have -- the concern is that their artillery forces in reigns of the city, and so are their tank forces. we'll have to attack those forces. i'm talking about coalition forces and the same thing applies to other areas. he'll try to get close to those people as he can to protect forces because he knows what our rules of engagement are like. but we also, the coalition will put air-ground teams, particularly starting in benghazi to be able to control that close air support. military term to describe air power being used against ground forces. and we'll have to have eyes on some of the targets to make certain we're shoofting at targets, not shooting at the civilians that may be close by and be able to provide terminal guidance. i don't think it's mission creep. i think it's in the portfolio. >> geraldo: why not aim at presidential compound? steve harrigan, general said gaddafi phoned in his last address to the libyan people, but president reagan tried it. why don't we try it? why don't we send a message or will and we'll use support in person? >> look, take it on commander in control infrastructure should be part of the portfolio in my view. >> geraldo: he's the number one commander, boy assume. >> absolutely. he's stuck in a hole someplace tonight and probably will be as much as he can that. is why you're not going see much of him. he's probably got a bunker system. but the -- command and control apparatus that controls his forces and provides guidance to integrated air defense system and the like, that has got to be part of the target portfolio, boy assume in taking down the system that is providing the kind of support for ground forces as well as for his air defense systems. >> geraldo: general, if you would stand by, our congressman, our panel, we'll take a short break and continue our special report on the intervention into libya's civil war right after this. 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joined now wally baris is in washington, d.c. fox news middle east expert and here in new york kt mcfarland who helped write the doctrine on limited war with specific objectives. welcome all. they join our already-distinguished panel. how are we doing so far? >> i'm concerned because i don't think there is a clearly defined objective. in un terms and what the president has said is that we want fro detective the innocent there. is nothing but b.regime change or said we'll take all measures to protect the innocent but what happens next? i think the military part will be just great that. will go well, but then what do you do? who do you hand the government over to? do you topple gaddafi? if you do topple him what is the next government? is there going to be a next government? then and we're now in the civil war in the middle of a civil war. not because we're there in a self-defense position. we're there because we're trying to protect civil inins. and tell me -- . >> yemen, yemen, more people died in yemen yesterday. and we're in it. and could we be in it regime change now? >> now, we're in it. think think that is the only goal we've got. >> unconditionalal surrender or the death of gaddafi? >> i think gaddafi dead or alive. if not he's going to do what the taliban did in afghanistan. going to go underground and this will go on and on. he's not going to surrender. he knows he goes to international criminal courts. >> that is for sure. >> we're going to have more here, but i want to go to molly hennenberg. tell us more about the meeting that happened in paris. >> reporter: right. secretary of state hillary clinton met in paris with 22 leaders to discuss the diplomatic angle of this and president obama in brazil said u.s. will provide lime -- limited mission to disable air systems. the president says the u.s. will act to support military action by a quote, broad coalition of countries. he says the u.s. will not be deploying ground troops to libya. the president says the us cuss not stand, quote, idley by has gaddafi tacks his own people. >> do you agree with casey mcfarland is that that it's all or nothing now? >> it's interpreting resolution 1973 if the mission is to stop gaddafi from taking benghazi it's been done fu. bu if the mission is about a regime change, let's talk about regime change, means we'll control the air and hit forces on the ground. and we'll rely on the opposition forces, those forces today in benghazi. the question, can they march? under our air support to tripoli to bring down gaud? the second question, what is gaddafi's plan? >> geraldo: no. they knlt. it's one thing to have kids with ak 47s shooting and celebrating and another thing to take on the two we know he has two tough, professional brigades that 6,000 fighters, with their armor standing between benghazi and tripoli. i don't believe, wally. >> i think the second most important point casey made is beyond that. if we put back special forces back and allow them to do so, what happens after the collapse of gaddafi? there will be multiple forces we don't know the leadership of the opposition. my concern today is for us to know more about that leadership to work more with them and to see they're going to establish a democratic government. >> geraldo: let me go to congressman devon nunez but what would you have us do? >> there is one thing you're missing i'd like to see your experts comment on at some point here tonight that. is wmds wex know this country for a long time tried to get their hands on nuclear weapons. we don't exactly know what they v there is a argument here. >> geraldo: we know he has -- . >> right, this is something we have to be concerned about, too. it's not just taking out gaddafi but who comes in to replace gaddafi? what happens to proliferation of the weapons? >> geraldo: let me take a quick break, folks. we have more and will be live everywhere. give us a minute, we'll be right back. part of the effort the united states will contribute our unique capabilities at the front end of the mission to protect libyan civilians and enable the enforcement of a no-fly zone to be led by our international partners. and as i said yesterday, we'll not, i repeat will not deploy any u.s. troops on the ground. >> the goals of the initial operations are two fold to prevent first further attacks on libyan citizens and opposition groups in and around benghazi and second to degrade the regime's capability to restrict the n no-fly zone. >> geraldo: general, is that enough to have a no-fly zone and protect civilians? is that enough? will that accomplish innocent of the un resolution? 1973? >> you listen carefully to what the admiral is saying there and he's talking more than a no-fly zone in terms of attack on gaddafi's ground forces. listen. a military campaign given that, the capability the coalition has, gaddafi has got a couple brigades standing between benghaz skpismt tripoli this, is not a highly trained competent force, they're okay at best. the kind of coalition air power we can put on them, believe me, they will leave their tanks and on the personal carriers when they start to take 30% to 40% casualties. that rebel force will begin to drive towards tripoli. that is reality of what we're facing. we don't understand what the military capability is and kind of destruction it can impose on forces in this kind of terrain, they have, they're challenged to protect themselves. the only thing that they can do to protect themselves at this point is get close to the people as possible. and i think with people on the ground, who have eyes on them, we can begin to separate them. >> geraldo: general what about the possibility of mustard gas? we know he has it. >> i'm not worried about mustard gas. and general keen is correct that militarily we can defeat his forces. there is no question about it. the danger becomes when they're close in there at benghazi, then we you swre put in j tack, probably u.s., because i believe only the u.s. has precision weapon that's can get in close enough to do this. now, here is where the mission creep comes. 1973 does authorize these things. but the president didn't say that. and kt is right. the president did not say that and congressman nunes is right this, is going to be mission creep. we can defeat them but then, what is the end game? what -- who is going take over? this is a coalition of the willing. carter ham is the joint force commander there with the fifth fleet commander. these are all u.s. forces. there is no brit or french or italian force that can command and control this size operation. then, once you take it over, are you going to have to put in this coalition willing ground forces? that becomes a difficult thing. we now have, as we all know, took us 21 days to get to baghdad. eight years later we're still there that. is the danger. >>. >> geraldo: that is the danger, let's ask ali suleman, he left in profitest, resigned but let me ask you mr. ambassador, we're all extremely concerned. let's say we get rid of muammar gaddafi. who takes his place? who are your colleagues? you were on gaddafi's side until six weeks ago, resigning some weeks ago. will you be part of the new government? will it be al qaeda? will it be muslim brotherhood? just the tribe that hates the tribe that muammar gaddafi belongs to? tell us what the future holds in store in the best of circumstance autos have you to give time to submit questions raised. first of all let me say about the arab league. i think arab league for the first time in more than 60 years stand by the people. they give permission for the no-fly zone. we don't ask the arab league more than that. there are some arab countries and libya, when sharing the cost of the operation. and the second thing which is very important, then, more than three weeks, that is very intern counsel -- interim counsel has been made. 31 people. >>. >> geraldo: who are they? >> this council has more tha than -- 31 members all over libya. then, some of them have been kept secret because they're under gaddafi's control but rest of them have been. these members they are royal, they are professors and foreign ministers, we're confident this council will be ready to take over. and there is ultramaigs. these this is not the not the time to be critical of what the united states has done. we have been waiting for this decision for more than three weeks when libyan people felt threatened by their own president. >> geraldo: good advice there. i've got to take a break. the point is now, we're in it. let's be in it to win it. hopefully we can define a mission that makes some sense. but rather than being critical, you know, he should have gone in three and a half weeks ago or you know what exactly are -- or where do we go from here? i think the ambassador is probably correct. let's, you know, we can have our reservations but let's root, root, root for the home team. we'll go inside three-mile i'll yanld, 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say they've attached a power cable to the outside of the plant this, could be crucial. if they can power up power systems it can help in cooling reactors. they'll try to get water pumps working as the second reactor then move on to other three remaining in danger of melting down. a japanese government spokesman says there is now stable saigs at the stricken number three reactor. this is important, is that that is the only plutonium reactor and the dangers of radiation exposure would increase considerably because there is a longer half life. an official has said, though, it's not clear if the power is restored it will stop the overheating. nearly 7,000 people have been confirmed dead from the quake and tsunami which hit here and another 10,000 remain missing. back to you, geraldo. >> geraldo: david piper in tokyo, thank you very much. it's like to -- time to look at how winds are affecting those toxic part cells. let's go to fox meteorologist, there is a lot of alarm. people seeing a plume of radioactivity reaching in some amounts west coast. are the winds still blowing from west to east? tell us what is going on. >> they do reach upper levels of the atmosphere, that area still does load prevailing from west to east. part cells that get into the upper levels could technically reach parts of the west coast of the united states. we have to keep in mind we're talking about a distance of over 5,000 miles from japan to california so a lot of those part cells could be disperse add cross the pacific ocean. we want to focus in at surfing conditions in japan. winds have shifted, at the surface, back on shore, so anyone across western parts or west of the nuclear power plant need to be on alert if there are radio active vapors into the atmosphere, they're being blown onshore, you can see that plume of moisture here starting to make its way into japan this, is our next storm system going to be deteriorating heading into sunday night. but during daytime hours we're going get a little bit of sunshine, temperatures into low 50s and monday, and tuesday, conditions deteriorating and talking about cloudy skies, colder temperatures, and any radio active vapors into the atmosphere can get cool bid rain drops and be absorbed into the ground. you're starting to hear about reports of radio active iodine in water and some reports of milk being affected and local crops. that is something to keep in mind. you can see winds blowing from east to west. so there is a flow at the surface. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. >> now, nuclear disaster focused attention on the 200 plus nuclear reactors in this country. some of them are aging. this week, energy secretary confirming that the obama administration will be asking congress for $8 billion to construct a new fleet of nuclear reactors and as west coast creeped out by the reports of the minutis sku skul -- barely measurable japanese radiation plume reaching the west coast of the united states, comes word that at least two of our plants, oyster creek in south jersey, and yankee station in vermont have been overtime leaking trace amounts of radiation, also, but that is far below, i stress that, far below the level considered dangerous, but listen, folks. everybody remembers china syndrome, the movie. >> closer they get, more threatening it becomes. the china syndrome. today... only a handful of people know what it really means. and they're scared >> that movie was released almost at the same time as the real disaster at three mile island. >> good evening there, was an accident today in a nuclear power plant near harrisberg, pens. a bad one, one of the worst... >> march 28th, 1979. most serious accident in the history of the american nuclear power industry happened here at three mile i'll yanld. i'm into unit one control room, a replica with the communications manager, ralph people don't realize three-mile island is back online. >> it was not damaged in the accident. it's been operating 30 years successfully. >> what went wrong back then? 1979? >> well, we did have a partial melt down of the reactor but significantly, 99% of the radiation was contained inside of the concrete building that. is why no one was hurt. there were numerous mistakes made, human, and mechanical. tell me what happened. >> there was a combination of equipment problems, procedure problems and human problem that's led to this event. >> radio active steam was released. an auto mattive -- auto mated valve mistakenly closed. initial efforts to stabilize the reactor failed and became clear that radio active gases leaked into the atmosphere. >> very small traces of radioactivity have been released from the plant. >> then, pennsylvania governor advised pregnant women and children to leave the area. about 140,000 fled. >> back in those day wez had to relie on land lines that were jammed and went down. >> today what happened scared me. >> you have to go some way. so if you die? >> president carter toured the stricken plant within days of the accident. but three-mile island sent the fledgling nuclear industry back 30 years. unit two never recovered and clean up lasted into 1990s, many people who lived here at that time remember vividly the scare, the panic. and radiation leaking into the atmosphere. how do you tell them it's okay? >> we have dedicated information plans in place and dedicated phone lines and mechanisms to get with agencies and test that all the time. one of the big lessons is where we're at now. it's a replica of the control room. it's a significant part. what happens during that accident in 79 wasn't about mistakenly turning off water going to a cooling system. how is that prevented today? >> we have six different way of cooling our reactor. back up valves on that same line. and there is instrumentation will tell that line is open or shut. that was a big lesson from the accident. people accept this as safe? >> in 2009, three-mile island got relicensed and during that process there was a credible amount support for the community for the relicensing. >> craig joins us live, how much radiation did he say leaked?. >> he said containment building contained 99% of the radiation within that building. so numerous studies have been conducted over years and the most that he says anyone could have been exposed to would be equivalent to the amount of two chest x rays. >> two? >> that is what they came. >> geraldo: that is not much. are these guys lending expertise to the japanese? >> they have offered expertise to the nuclear energy institute. japan is now taking their help. >> geraldo: g joining us now we're going to get back to special coverage of the libyan civil war, our involvement in it this is paul lovendale an owner of a company making radiation detection devices. is that what we're looking at here? >> this is an air sampler being used in japan as well as all over the world. the military uses it. israeli defense forces use it. >> geraldo: that is what we're using to find out where radioactivity is going. what are people going to do? what does an ordinary person, my wife gets -- really whenever the news trumpets she's go sure goitsing to come to our house, what does an ordinary person do? >> we developed with international specialty products. >> geraldo: i'll hold one. >> sure they actually are color changing. and the dot in the middle will darken with radiation exposure z then, you can compare darkness with the reverence chart around it. and you can determine how much exposure you've had. >>. >> geraldo: what do these cost? >> $20 or $10. >> where do you buy them? >> from radeco. if you're concerned and want to spend $10 or maybe neighbors can get together and get that. you know, these little devices. how is business since this accident in japan? >> we've been very, very busy. >> geraldo: why am i not surprised?. >> i don't know. >>. >> geraldo: thank you g work and go out there and keep us safe. i appreciate it. this is a quick 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now, a fox news analyst, how did it go? your opinion? >> probably went well. the question is did they get it in time before the absolute collapse of the rebels? i think they probably have. but the other problem ais who are the rebels? are they running a count -- are they capable of running a country? >> geraldo: ambassador says they're a coalition and relatively moderate. he knows who they are. >> yes that, will be great. hopefully when this is military engagement is finished, then, we can leave. the question is if they're not up to the job are we in an occupation situation? the great thing about reagan, set your priorities and keep them. reagan knew the priority was soviet union. our priority in the middle east is the free flow of oil in saudi arabia, not libya. >> geraldo: let's see how saudi arabia does. and my problem with the president is when he started saying gaddafi must go, he never said where gdafi was going to go. he can have all of the money on earth but if he zrnt a home address to send stuff he buys to, where is he going to sleep? like simosa of nicaragua? has to go to paraguy? where is gaddafi going to go? >> well, at this point it's late to ask the question and egypt we knew who the armed forces and where we can arrange this thing n liba, we don't know armed forces or much about the opposition other than ambassador assured us they'll do the right thing. so number one, will air power stop gaddafi from maintaining forces and allow rebels to go to tripoli? likely. the third question is what would the rebel be able to do in downtown tripoli? will they be able to continue to fight against now gaud fwaud forces? and will they establish a democratic government? i suggest in conclusion instead of waiting for downtown trip kroly -- tripoli, let's do it in downtown benghazi. >> geraldo: there is this possibility general, two libyans, the benghazi rebels liberated free lib yachl the gaddafi occupied western libya. send it on tripoli. is that a possibility? >> it s i somehow doubt it. because that would protract our military involvement. nobody wants that. let's face it. let's be frank. egypt is not a -- libya is not a country in our strategic national interest. i think that led to getting involved in the beginning. particularly when rebels are winning when a counter offensive by gaddafi started and a genocide began we had a major humanitarian problem. i think what is decisive for us was the arab league and certainly sark cozy and david cameron feeling we had to give n so we're in and now, we have a military campaign which will are v.to destroy most of gaddafi's ground forces unless he puts them back in the barn. standing up to a political opposition of process in, out of benghazi makes sense. >> geraldo: i've got to take a hard break. we'll be right back right after this. sorry. introducing the thunderbolt by htc. immense power. scorching speed. the first phone strong enough to run on the fastest, most advanced 4g network in america. >> geraldo: our final segment, former vice chief of staff for the army, jack cane, general, final thoughts? >> well whark we're finishing tonight trying to finish before the commercial break is that i think the military campaign to destroy ground forces will be largely successful and should put political prash on gaddafi and the support system around him. listen. i don't think anyone in the coalition and certainly not in the country is going to state that our goal is to, right now, force a regime change but make no mistake bit we're on that path to. think we're going stand up two governments in libya and have a pro tracted military presence over time or invite gaddafi in any time he chooses to inflict punishment on his people had we made this effort and to have a different view there is no question we can take him out mill tearly. we've seen this movie before in afghanistan and iraq. we're the only one that's can take his military out. brits and french cannot. we've got get the arab league toin clud egyptians and saudi arabiains involve sod they're the one that's are doing it, not us. because is goitsing to be the same old game and we're not going like the outcome if we're in there for a protracted period of time fwerl gerl can you give me 30 seconds casey mcfarland? >> i think if you're in it you've got to win i once its done, get out. let someone else deal with the occupation and new government. probably the brits and french, but not the united states. >> what about some of the other... >> they haven't shown up yet. i'm amazed the fact they're all, a lot of hype at the arab league is part of it. have we seen any of it yet? >> camels. >> geraldo: yes. >> doesn't gaddafi have? >> no. those are in tahrir square. >> geraldo: i want to thank our wonderful panel. over the last two weeks, ladies and gentlemen i've made it clear for what it's worth i oppose yun lateral usa or u.s.-led action against gaddafi. now, the united nations voted and now, arab league says they're n now, dye is cast. we're in this fight. i'm with the president and coalition 100% z i hope they kick the dictators ass, believe me. but nobody thinks this is going to be quick or easy. remember baghdad, 2003. you know? two weeks to get to baghdad and eight years later we're still there. lots gf people goring to die before gaddafi ends up as he surely will, on the garbage heap of history. remember ca st. tro, he's still around. we hope he's going end up in the garage heap of history. as long as gaddafi is in there we have to resist temptation to take the lead just because we're better at it than our allies are. our fleet will do their thing with their superb military to support the no fly zone. i think it's really the allies turn to take the point. i appreciate they were british and french pilots risking lives for their national interest today, not ours that, is it. thanks for watching. stay tuned to fox news for the stay tuned to fox news for the latest on the crisis in libya. can ultra thin bladder protection combine comfort and high levels of absorbency? 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