is getting their money back -- >> i don't think in there mid-terms people will care about the dow at all. it is about jobs. >> you are going to be on imusgn tomorrow? >> yes, i am. >> that is all the time we have. thanks for being with us and we hope you have a great night. live and at large, you heard it here first. 4 >> conspiracy contributing to the hrel ling quincy of a minorc a class 4 felony, a class 3 misdemeanor and a class for felony. >> theor colorado dad accused on stageing the elaborate ball linh boy saga is about to get smacked with a series of felony andil misdemeanor charges sure to groa as state and federal authoritie pile on and as authorities grant access to the flying saucer, it turns out to be constructed like a high school science project, made of a tarp sewn or taped together and then covered with aluminum foil to give it the spacy look. t as for the passenger woman apartment we thought held the endangered 6-year-old, that turns out to have a thin sheetuc of plywood, the walls cardboardy held together with string and idct tape. meanwhile, the sheriff who forti most of friday and saturday, w seemed toas be the only man intt america who believed the hoaxfli was real and today admitted thin not so credible flying machine never had the ability to carry young falcon into the sunsetlel after all.h >> the sides are cardboard all held together with string and duct tape.h certainly, we wanted to question whether that was strong enough to support the weight of falcon. >> reporter: as far as the family at the heart of the scam destined to live forever with the alien autopsies and tai discovery of mermaids and>> hoaxes, they holed up at a neighbor's house last night>> before hightailing it to a hotel. >> an on or about united press-r caught up with them as they shopped in a wal-mart with his three young rascals. the dad got all teary-eyeed when he admitted to reporters that his scheme became widely con volume -- convoluted. we have two panelists joining mk ded david, you are keeping your client under wraps.la what exactly is your plan nowdo. woliwhen charges do come down, what would you like to haveonct happen with your client vis a vis the authorities?i told them >> ii have contacted the larit county office and said any timed they press charges, tell me and i will have my client turndso himself in. trying to avoid the perp walkdr where people are arrested sometimes in front of their owns children -- ou aret a minute, y complaining of the media-genuin rated -- generated circus ands? you are going to deny the cops a little payback here? >> yes, i think the perp walk il a tradition these days. i if someone is willing to turn themselves in on a number of minor charges, which these are minor charges, that should be good enough. if there is no flight risk, nog. pun intended -- a [laughter] >> good one, though.the >> thank you. so that is my immediate goal. the sheriff does not confide ine me on e what the evidence is sol let's see what it is. if they have arrest, crossingg c any constitutional lines, i wila be anxious to see what it is. >> now, he has represented high-profile and low-payingy r clients before. he represented the very famousky college professor who said that. the 9/11 bombing was ae controversy and the people who died were little figures. what do you believe of h and eene now?ctinavid >> well, i think he played this out. i like him and share respect with him but not all of his clients. heene is a schmuck but the bottom line is he is constitutional rights and it is up to those in the county to determine that, while aggressive, it might be a little overreach. >> the sheriff is referenceing that heene, the dad, showed no sign of remorse about and the sheriff was also concerned about 6-year-old falcon given the father's hot temper and possibility the dad might retaliate against the child for the televised confession that was the beginni hng of the end w mpeddad's scam. well, it turns out when we werer camped outside their home,sfulop authorities were tryingoys t unsuccessfully to persuade the mom er and three boys to spend the night in a safe house for fear of domestic violence andle mom refused. >> we talked to her at length about domestic violence, her safety, the children's safety, n but we didn't -- we had aould concern but didn't have enough that would allow us or child protective services to h physically take theis kids fromo that environment. >> what about the fact there isi a history or at least a major allegation by the sheriff who may be hatless but appears to be getting this right. charges >> the most was involved in an incident where there were no charges filed, she had a swolleb eye but there is no one whoher h carries a bigger burden tonighti than the 6-year-old. coe father with dreams of being on reality television, i think a the reality was pursuant to a warrant and i think this guy is a loose cannon and i think the fa mily may be in danger.onsp >> we are hearing reports that there is a media conspiracy, a media outlet involved in youru n client's escapade. can you tell us anything aboutan that?nc clear that up at all?ything that >> the sheriff has not shared any evidence with me regarding what they found as a result of a search warrant and until they i can produce any evidence, they presumption of innocence exists in this country for a reason. >> it is registered and we honor c it on this program.that [overlapping speakers] >> okay, great. >> do you believe that david lane and his client richardri o diene are very s-- desirous of publicity? >> he wants publicity and thisih is what we had to figure out onn our radio show in the first hour in asking these questions. but i think david lane has at chance because surprisingly in our talk radio audience, thereau are still people who want toan a believe it, who invested in the flying balloon story. and i will give david a chance and he does not shy away from publicity. >> so what defense do you use, david? >> my client is innocent till proven not innocent and until io can see the evidence produced, e have no rational -- g >> look at my hand.al i amco giving you the vulcanuck salute. good luck to you, david.n craig, i want to hear from youl. later in the program and judgeds thein as well. we want to give you an update on the anna nicole trial going onpl and now three people dead in tht sweat lodge. a heads-up, twomer terrific people, rob begint to givens and jason seahorne will o be joining me in a couple ofus minutes and i want to ask themse about the potential domestic prm violence potential in the spacee boy balloon case. but first, mike huckabee sat next to me lamenting obama'sg stance on getting healthcareomim reform passed, sayingor he was making a big mistake by pwopg becoming more like reagan. >> i want everyone to have ayouo senatorn the healthcare debate. senator baucus, you m have a voice.ou t senator mcconnell, i want youhi to have a voice in this, too. now, what can i do to bring the rest of the republican party into consideration? >> i could see us reporting healthcare but only if you switch your position to against it. [laughter] [ terror music playing ]t >> oh, my god, what happened? >> you made barack obama angry and you make him angry and he ve turns into "the rock-obama". white house [laughter] >> the white house is still giving out mixed signals aboutfi whether their final proposal will include a public option.hie the white house chief of staffe. said today, the president still believes. >> he believes a plan with a public option is important to competition. not ou don't have competition, an insurance company has the run of not only premiums but theese type of healthcare you have. so the president believes in it as a competition.bu s >> valerie jared, senior white house advisor says the president agrees but doesn't demand.ol >> he thinks the public option give is the right solution, increasing competition and giveb people choices and reduce costsw so he is a big believer in the plan. >> will he push for it and demand in the final movement of reform? loo >> he has pushed for ite r certainly but also has said we need to look at all options.do >> mcelrod, his advisor, als said he was there. >> he supports it but that w doesn't mean we halt theo rk process. we have senators and house ofn u democrats who don't support it -- >> and though don't offer muchar in the way of alternatives but at least they are clear one public option -- no way, no howe >> i think the american people have turned a thumbs down one. republican-run healthcare. this is very heavy to get it dem through the senate or house but they clearly want to do it.omhi democrats want to call it a trigger, state option or co-op but it is still a governmenton plan. e >> leave it to arlen specter -- >> i am going to continue toek fight on. mu us live. no worries. pledge multi surface is fast and effective. wow. i'm done. clean more. faster. that's the beauty of pledge multi surface. sc johnson: a family company. eggland's best. i love eggland's best... because of all the great nutrition. that's why they're the only eggs... i give to my son. the chef. eggland's best. the better egg. looks like we're in for a bumpy ride. go ahead, ignore me. but in this turbulent market, you're going to need help... protecting some of your assets for retirement. an axa equitable annuity could give you... guaranteed income for life. i'd call them, but what do i know? i'm just the 800-pound gorilla in the room. don't worry. i'm here. want guaranteed income for life? axa equitable is redefining what you expect from annuities. ooh, peanuts. no one has ever seen anything like it before the --im the obama plan to reform healthcare administration, unlike anything even the vietnam war. now let's continue our discussion with jerry brown andn charlie crist of florida. two of my favorites. future governor brown, i hate to confuse everybody with all this but general brown, is there anything in the proposal by max baucus that is currently one ofl the bills reported out of the finance committee that will relief the burden on californiae of poor people going to the emergency room because they don't have insurance coverage?? >> well, there's one big thing p in the baucus plan and that ised it doesn't cover everyone. unless you have everyone covered, you can't finance the system and if you say you willyi wait till you are sick, that is like selling fire insurance when your house is burning. you have to have people payingng eyto the pool before there is a problem, before they are sickedv and that is why you need to cover everyone and there has tou be adequate payments. and number two, you have toe manage the chronically ill which ve 75% of the bill. what we do in this country, we have too much equipment, personnel are making a lot of money and there is not enough choice in the system so low-cosy plans like the kaiser plan available in california, is not always the option. you have to have a managed plan an deal with the chronically sick and get everyone in from day one and not wait till they t are sick or the system will bankruptcy itself and not have enough money.m >> governor crist, you developeu a plan called cover florida and it allows people to get cut-rate insurance policies for reduced premiums. you can almost pick,ik like a wt chinese menu, what you want to be covered for. how is that going? >> that's right. it is a great plan. it is called cover florida healthcare and i would encourag viewers to go to coverfloridaed healedcare -- healthcare.com.h we didn't want any tax dollars to be involved. it is a free market approach, ir you will, to make sure about four million people in the state of florida would have the be wrtunity to buy health insurance that was more affordable. a before we came up with this p plan, the average cost was dec $900 per month to get a decentp. coverage plan.he after the administration here id florida negotiated with the health insurance companies, we were able to provide to some people, a plan of $24 a month. now, granted that is not a cadillac plan but you could get a plan that would be moreompare comprehensive for $150 a monthoe compared to the 900.u. >> i love the idea and it is m typical of you, a brilliant ideo but the floridians are not exactly flocking to that coverage, are they? >> i think one of the concernse is we didn't put any money into marking the plan. that is why it is an honor to br on your show tonight to let fellow floridians know this exists. about 4000 have sig uned up for the plan already and to each of those individuals and their families, it is important and significant and makes a iiv difference. can you imagine the kind of feai an individual would have if you didn't have coverage for your child or what have you? >> we'll be right back. my mother made the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. robert shapiro: we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. talking to two of my favorite elected officials, governor-perhaps to be jerry brown and governor crist of florida. don't you agree the fact 4000 have subscribed that unless youi make health insurance mandatoryo there will be a big portion of the population who refuses to t get covered? >> exactly. you will not have p enough peope in the pool that are healthy toa be paying during the healthy years so the money is available to pay when they get sick. a it is actually unsound. plus, it costs 300, $400 a day to stay in the hospital, cheapest, ever. and the idea is to provide andid cheaper plan and a couple inpay, between and let the individualan choose what he wants to pay,to 2 what deductible, how manyend of co-pays. there should be a variety but id don't know how you get it down to 24. and then at the end of the day, you have the end of life and chronically-sick people which io 75% of healthcare in thisme country, private or public. and you have to drive those costs down by managing this par- of the population. >> governor crist, since i sawec you last, i got my knee65 replaceed and i have great coverage because not only am i over 65 but i have a policy as well. why isn't my insurance premiumn income -- why shouldn't i beurae taxed on my cadillac healthhy insurance plan, isn't that fair? >> why shouldn't you be taxed on your plan? >> yes, why shouldn't i be? fri >> well, why should you be? >> isn you are probably paying enough >>t yo our idea is to not tax anybodya? additionally in florida. >> but isn't that fair? a >> to be taxed on the plan thatn is provideed by the station? d >> yes. >> well, i think people are taxed enough. one of the ways to simulate the- economy is less taxing and moree freedom.y t we're the state that stillt wan doesn't have an income tax.over we're a state that wants to reduce the burden of governmente on the backs of people so theyni have more freedom and have thi better opportunity at freea enterprise in the economy and tt tht this thing turned around in a fashion all americans want anf certainly floridians do. we want to reduce the taxationro and burden of government -- >> i am not sure you can do that and provide everybody withbrown, healthcare but governor crist,i good luck to you, we love youtw here and governor brown, if you could stick around, we will talk about anna nicole smith. from america's news headquarters, hurricane rick weakening to a category 4 storm but the national hurricane center says it is still a very dangerous storm, packing currently 145 mile-per-hour winds. it could weaken a bit more before making landfall in the next couple of days. the national hurricane center saying it could veer into resorts at the tip of the baja peninsula. at its peak, it was a category 5 hurricane. and tragedy striking at the free press marathon. three runers dying at the event, three men between 26-65 years old. a marathon spokesperson saying all three received medical care within seconds. these are the first deaths during the detroit marathon since 1994. >>idord on the cause. now back to geraldo.no, i >> look! >> did you know this was comingn >> no, i had no idea.ti >> no producer said anything to you? >> jay actually said if she sayj no, we had no idea he was going to do that.ht >> jason sehorn was a dashing defensive back when he proposedm on the air to nancy harmon.s i now they have three little fairi -- fairytales to prove it.- >> we show them the pictures these years later and it isat adorable. >> the first time it hit me was i was not even married. >> robin givens grew up in front of our eyes. but she hid a dark secret. >> he gets out of control, throwing, screaming.u? >> does he hit you? e >> he shakes, he pushes, heom swings, he -- sometimes i think he is trying to scare me. >> he has done it again!eally >> forced by the unpredictable fury of her husband mike tyson, she counsels young women. >> i think you have to set timen aside for yourself, with your own healing and emotions and figure it out.eople j >> and robin works to forgive the man she loved.ormer >> i don't know what happened. e i don't want to know. >> robin given with us and jaso? sehorn on the right. what did you think of mike'sl response?e >> i didn't see it, i am sorry. >> he started crying and was vis remorseful for what he did. >> well, i have seen his tearslt and experienced them upclose sol that is fine. hav >> do abusive men cry?st >> well, it is interesting, i go out and speak with a lot of up women and we all sort of havee p the stories to tell that you gem hit and then you end up concealing the person who hits you. you have this big man in yourrl. lap telling him it is okay that he took a punch at your face.bo >> it is okay, darling. did you see in the balloon by story we started the programts with, there is in domesticnc violence issue, this mercuria man, richard heene who concoctee this scheme to attract worldwide attention with the balloon, thee wife had a black eye, there wasa a 9-1-1 call. are you spiced it would generat it's kind of deep, dark secret? >> no, i think we're dealing with an epidemic right now. spek it is interesting i am speaking all the time to women and recently really to mew who are dealing with this issue, and i am not surprised that we're now thinking of this man in this light.s if he is so willing to go out os a limb and concoct such a story. >> put his kid so far out there? >> mm-hmm. >> jason, i wanted to talk tors you about rush limbaugh's ownership of a team you playedae for briefly, the rams. but i want to put that aside noy and ask why the most beautifuln ave le on earth got involved in doing domestic violence thingscials now? >> well, we w live a very blessh life, a lot of gifts, things wee didn't ask for, they just came along with life.r bring we are so grateful and thankful wi and we think there is a lot we can do to bring awareness tobe causes and help out with the ths less fortunate. there is a lot we can do in thir life past what we have done for a living. an't forget about everybody else that lifts you w ere's e people who buy tickets, listen to games on radio ore the television. there are a lot of people whot make the world go around that don't have near what they need. >> so when you council sell someone in a spot you have never been in, what do you tell 'em? >> no, i have been in most ofy. nfl lower income spots -- it is funny, i went to sc and played in the nfl and everyone assumes you go to sc, you have a silver spoon. but i was raised by a t6-year-old mother and the food ttamps and other stuff, you know, life hashe another side ae there is a lot of ways to get there. you have to give people hope ora direction or sometimes just aods helping hand. for they need to know somebody elsey cares for them, whatever it may be. my point is you can't walk away from people. >> thank you, robin but i haveum to ask you, jason, what in the> hell happened in new orleansts today? the >>at was that all about? too much gumbo?asn' >> it wasn't as bad as the titans. that ended up 59-0.ou d if you don't get a pass rush,n' you don't win.ohe that is the nfl. if you can get to the quarterback who throws the football, you are in trouble. >> excuse me, geraldo, whyo ha didn't you ask me what happened [laughter]gh >> thank you both. to t i appreciate your insight. ne >> our pleasure. >> we have to add th name liz newman of minnesota to the twof killed in the sweat lodge ceremony gone horribly wrong att eeek ago in sedona, arizona. the attorney for her family today said he plans to sue th self-especially expert and author james arthur ray, the so-called spiritual warrio whose event ended horribly when they were overcome with heat ano fumes and lack of oxygen in thas sweat lodge containing 55 people. before we meet a long-timean is friend and guru who has worked> with him on his projects, here is the sweat lodge. >> elizabeth newman became the third fatality in the tragic here in sedona, arizona, a tragedy many people feel shoulde never happen. don medicine wolf is an md inast arizona. their b what went wrong? >> the heat was too hot. their bodies were exhausted and were not ready for the temperature and excruciating f water and were put through. you can't take a fasting body for three days, deprived of food and water, and place them into a cruel and abusive temperature that does nothing but destroyl life.the the fact that the sweat lodge run by james ray was covered bys plastic, how did that impactc those people?athe a >> increased the toxicity. >> they couldn't believe ande. ceersterous things took place. so you heat lava rocks like this and bring them into the center of the pit? >> yes, i bring in seven rocks for each 15-minute round andporn this is very important. the size of the rock is verye important. i use a smaller rock so we won't have an uncontrollablell r a temperature. we use a small rock and controlled temperature. it is not any hotter than if you were batheing at the beach ate c the ocean. >> they are not hraoufd to thert lack of moisture in the air, their bodies have not beenhe prepared for the rigors of the ceremony that they are about toe do. trage >> medicine wolf and his wife know the owners of the resort where the tragedy took place. >> these are very responsible, loving, beautiful people that own this resort. >> describe the impact here inna arizona, the impact among the native american community. >> everybody is saddened andiol upset that, number one, aemony w traditional, sake cell healing. ceremony would be abused anduy people would lose their lives. m >> sounds like to me that guy would be a great witness in a c murder or homicide case spellini out everything that this guy o o james ray did wrong.i justke >> it was totally out of t control. just horrible. i spoke to the relatives of just 38-year-old kirby brown who wase buried yesterday. hundreds of people attended her feeling including people at that event and they said they couldn't believe his god-likepu complex, didn't know what he was doing and he was pushing them. beyond the limits. he did everything wrong, according to these people inn that sweat lodge that tragictrac day. >> i think he is going to paynd the piper both civilly and w criminally. if you would stand by, craig, m" next guest is the author of the book "the secret" and founder on another one of these groups. do you feel he is negligent at g the very least?omes >> a great question, geraldo. ad until all the information fromtu the authorities and individuals comes out, i would be putting myself at risk. my company is a business growthp company versus personal kno jams development and i have knownn a james for ten years on a professional level. >> but i am asking you, what dos you think is cooking now fory. james ray? will this discredit the entireho self-help indians street, aurt all of you who were in the secret together?he >> i don't think it will discredit the secret.e we the secret was the lava attraction and we were in that movie as a documentary.wi we all have different business models and i really don't know e what james does for his events. i have never been to any of his. events and neither into do the teachers for the most part.e is there a chance they will be in trouble? yeah, there is a chance.of us f three or four people have died o in the last week and we feel sad about that.fact we have sent our condolences too the families and would like toog get more facts --es >> fair enough but what i want to know is if you feel what james ray did was irresponsible and wreckless? on >> i don't know what he did, i need the information. i have neverf been to a sweat dt lodge myself so i can't say yes, he did or no he didn't.e it was be irresponsible of me tu make that comment. >> praoerb kwra*eut unite youli coming on. >> thank you so much. >> good luck to you. now i what we worried would never happen is happeningit right nown california, the hearing to h determine if annie nicole's p boyfriend and her doctors willsg stand trial for illegally. preskraoeuping her the drugs that ultimately killed her. back live. before i get to the anna nicole smith story and howard k. stern and her doctors and whether they will go to criminal trial for ministering the drugs, i want to go back quickly on the james arthur ray sweat lodge story and ask judge jeanine empiro if shey believes this new-age guy willdg go criminally and civilly for the sweat lodge?ivil >> he will be convicted at the glry least for criminally negligent homicide. you have another person who wasl unconscious a few years ago --ot >> he should have been on notice.t. >> he was on notice, exactly. going to happen.t to t >> oprah, one of her favorites l and larry king, going down for the count. mr. ray, if you want to talk tod me on a side of the story wetorw have somehow missed, feel freef to talk to me. now, the lawyers of howard fon k. stern, the manipulative boyfriend and a hearing going on in california on whether to find her doctors criminally negligent in prescribeing her the drugs she died from. her former bodyguard known asl "big mo" joins me right here and i want to ask you right now, did you lie to me two years ago when you said you never saw anna yout nicole take illicit drugs? >> if i talked to you at that le time, yes. >> why did you lie if it was sheas obvious she was a junkie andand amerdosed. >> well, you have to u anderstad who i am and what i do. i am a bodyguard and close friend and you guys in the media were murdering her, bam, bam, and she had nobody at her side yd i was, to be truthful, trying to protect her legacy.yo >> but you have a situation where you are inar this trial,ie giving this testimony and fig ilm -- if i am the lawyer for the defendant, i would say areat you lying now or were you lyingw then when you said you saw i methadone and the drugs? cou >> well, before i was a>>ai firefighter, i was a bailiff in the court so i believe in the court --ou theut >> so raise your hand. you >> when i am in court, i will tell you the truth. >> did you, big mo, with your own hands, see anna nicole invest in chlorylhydrate, just checking it with your own eyes? >> yes, i did.ol >> did you see howard k. smith't and her shooting up with narcotics? >> i can say they were shootingb up. i can't say w what was in it.wel >> and it wasn't gatoraid.ar we'll continue with this discussion. be right back after this. bo bag live withig mo back live with "big mo",or former bodyguard of anna nicole smith who testified for two andg a half days in the preliminary hearing going on in california.l before i get the judge that nott presided over the case infi florida in which "big mo" did not testify, i want to ask you more questions on what was goine on in this hearing. did you or did you not testify you walked in with howard sterng >>th a spoon burning it or how other junkies do burning it or whatever, did you see that?it >> yes, i did.rge >> what did he do with the drug after that? l >> brought it in with a needle and syringe. >> so he drew the liquid out and --ed t >> exactly. >> then what did he do that?hea? >> at that point -- i don't know if i am allowed to say this outside the hearing. >> anything you testified to,y h please testify to now, big mo. >> the thing is, the explanation to me, i am a paramedic. wha they said the volume or whateveo pulled in they thought was going to get in her blood systemer faster and work faster.t >> in terms of they shot her up to get it in faster rather than ingesting it orally. s cou >> and at some point sheee couldn't swallow it. >> did larry birkehead changeve his story about seeing howard k. stern inject drugs? >> well, whether it be the judgk tag alifornia, you raise your hand and swear to tell the truth. it is not like talking to a media outlet and conflicting stories does not work because it is called perjury. pur >> but howard k. stern testifie in court about what? >> i asked him a bunch of things.questi on the record, it iso right intt the transcript and i think thatd is what alerted the california attorney general brown to look into this -- he admits he gaveie anna nicole these different drugs, different drugs on different names and drugs to ayr known addict. what shocks me when you reflect on it as time goes by, he gav drugs to a woman who was chi pregnant and then he thought shs was carrying his child which h blows your mind and that is whan he is left with, all that negativity. do you feel?egle >> i wish him no will but you have to pay -- >> criminal homicide. he should be charged with morear than drugs. he injected her, she died.sll a end of story. >> but the state of california does not have -- >> no, then indict him in florida. >> they missed that -- >> they did. >> we have to go. ♪ thffet itf vrivtydell. inon cas heie itf vrivtydell. 90 th j f lye p e? 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