having secret meetings with the former white house chief of staff and leaders from the democratic party. >> hogan refused to rule out his own bid. >> there are a lot of people trying to talk to me about being that third party not dominant. >> are you willing to? >> it is too early. i am focused on the republican primary. >> it sounds like you are considering it. >> i have not ruled it out. if that is what it takes to save the country, these two are not going to have the support of the american people, we are going to have to put together a strong ticket. >> if you have not ruled it out, you are considering it. if there is any indication of how threatened they feel, look at jamie harrison. >> this is not the time to experiment, to play around in the margins.