own mind i think about those things. chris: so why didn't you retire? >> i didn't retire because i decided on balance i wouldn't retire. chris: president biden has appointed a commission to come back to him in november and discuss -- weigh in on possible reforms to the court. what do you think of the idea of increasing the number of justices on the court? >> one party can do it, i guess another party could do it. and the more -- i mean, surely surface, on the surface it seems to me you start changing all these things around and people will lose trust in the court. chris: what about term limits? people even justices live a lot longer now than they did knack the 18th -- did back in the 18th century. would it lower the political heat if, say, a justice served for 18 years instead of a life