not guilty. the problem would be that would be a sham. so, nancy pelosi does, can't control what goes on in the senate, according to the constitution as you read here for us, chris but she can try to say, if this is going to be a sham, well then, i don't need to really put any into the managers that i send over there. send political, rhetorical people. if it's a matter of actual witnesses. if john bolton, mick mulvaney are called to give first-hand testimony about the president's actions i need sense who knows about -- >> how can the house force the senate to call witnesses that the house itself refused to call. >> they didn't refuse to call them. they couldn't call them because they wouldn't come, guess what, jason, president said don't go up there. >> they refused to let that process run its course. and now they are claiming. >> testimony into their slow walking strategy of the white house?