you don't recall hearing anything. you don't have firsthand knowledge. >> if i don't have records, schedules, right now i don't recall anything about such a meeting. >> ambassador. >> a meeting among the ukrainians? >> among the ukrainians involving then president-elect zelensky. this would have been early on in his presidency with several aides to discuss how to handle pressure from president trump and mr. giuliani about investigating the bidens. >> i don't recall. >> you don't remember. the may 23rd meeting, you talked about how the president categorized ukraine, when he thought about ukraine. i believe that meeting was on may 23. did you ever hear president president zelensky relay any concerns about you about how he felt about how the united states viewed him, whether he was being