that kind of media pressure? >> >> no it will be one news cycle and gone. i would expect it to be exactly the same thing. all we have to do to figure it out watch the human wind sock kristin gillibrand and she will tell us in a couple weeks whether it has blown over. >> ben: your book is interesting and timely one it speaks to all the things we are worried about in this pandemic. that america is going to invest even more authority in our governmental leaders who have shown themselves so incapable of rising to this moment and so terrible at actually putting forth policies that made things better in so many instances. what can be done to push back against this athorn impulse as we see it across the country? what can individuals do in their communities and states to make sure that this doesn't happen? >> we really do need to band together at this point. there is no question if we get together together with our al thrice we do formulate the majority. i think that there has been a very hard core minority of left