that i saw with my oldest ivette ultrasound i saw with my youngest 2 years old. it's night and day. i could see musculature and fingernails so clearly. her little cheeks looked exactly the same as they did now in utero with last baby. technology is on our side and we are winning this debate not for religious reasons. our country is not becoming more religious or secular. technology is actually bolstering this argument for pro-lifers and we are winning on that. >> ben: liz, real quick, you have seen this happen in your own generation. have you seen the shifts that have happened there, despite the dominant hypes of hollywood and their like being owned by the pro-abortion side. why do you think that resistance has happened? >> yeah, i think, rachel is absolutely correct. we are the refrigerator door we grew up seeing ultrasound pictures of our brothers and citiesers on the that sound