wrong. good order and discipline is an ethos and a culture. justice is a moral thing that we do in his country, and we have a process for it. to come out of the eddie gallagher case, and he's been found guilty on something, he served his time, he served the punishment, then president trump comes back and promotes him back, that is obviously more of a political statement. i don't understand where the navy is coming from here, especially the secretary of the navy, looking at this and saying that somehow this is going to inspire the hundred thousand troops that we have in afghanistan to break all the rules. that is not the case. i don't know one marine boot on the ground who would do something they think is wrong because they think it would be that easy to get the president of the united states to pardon them or overwrite some sort of conviction. >> shannon: as this whole thing was playing at this weekend, from what we understand, that a different secretary esper had conversations within the military branches, they were talking about their strategy moving forward, but they were going to do. he goes on a trip to asia. he says while he was gone, navy