child in this case identifying as a girl, not only just identify, but wanting to wear girl's clothing, wanting to play with girls' toy, wanting to only have playmates. so it's not totally just a matter of mom says wants to be a girl and dad says wants to be a boy. and at the end of the day, if the judge is already determined that it's in the best interest of the child for the child to go forward in this fashion, it is tantamount to child abuse to what the father is doing. at the end of the day, it seems to be as it is unfortunately in a lot of family law cases, a lot of back and forth, tug-of-war. and i ultimately hope this child is not being play in the middle by both parents. >> give you both a closing argument about 15 seconds each. bob, we'll start with you. >> that's the point. the child is being put in the middle of all of this. but what business do courts have of being in the business without