troops to be able to control those areas. the areas that they have already taken, they're going to have difficulty holding them because they have to leave troops there. the further if russian forces go into ukraine, the more vulnerable they'll be. arthel: and in kosovo you commanded a multi-national brigade which included ukrainian troops, is so you saw them in action. how did they perform? >> yes. in fact, in that multi-national brigade that i commanded included a russian battalion. the russian troops were tough, but the ukrainian troops, said say -- i would say they were fierce and disciplined. the ukrainians are going to fight for their country, so whatever president putin was thinking in invading, he got bad information because ukrainians are going to fight for their country. not only the military, but the citizens are going to fight for their country. they have the will to fight. arthel: and i want to right now