instance, what is china going to do? go to taiwan if putin is nonstop from going into ukraine? are these conversations you are hearing out there? >> a lot of them and a lot of people are tied to the defense industry or congressman tied to the administration, real concerns about what russia and china are doing. the link between the two and relationship between the two, you're right. u.s. military faces a lot of things but if russia moves into ukraine, if china moves into taiwan, what does that look like? what is the u.s. response? is a complex answers for this administration and ones opposed to the defense secretary in one way or another. griff: bret, i've got to believe people are talking and contrasting perhaps the different approach president biden is taking with president ronald reagan last night. a special report, a sound by a